Very interesting, In typical fashion our discussion has grown somewhat sideways. My original comment was that I coveted the Wullenwever. I did not say it was a high performance antenna or why I coveted it. I still do but more so of the later versions. Nothing has changed my mind about performance or non performance. What I see in all the pubs I have read still leads me to believe it would likely be a killer antenna on 160 meters. If for nothing else the 11 degree beamwidth covering 360 degrees. My educated guess is about 15 dB or more of RDF. I even have the British report on the original captured German antenna. I have a copy of a rather extensive thesis for PHD that was published about these kinds of multi element arrays and it suggests serious directivity (RDF from Toms teachings). Tom and I will have to agree to disagree about the "W" being a high performance antenna and thats fine because likely neither of us has the time or energy to affirm any points. Victor K1LT has been using SDR beam steered arrays for some time and reporting some great results. Yes it will be the star of the future. I have used some pretty significant receiving arrays and I still am amazed at what they can do. I have no doubt that any of you top-band people would welcome the chance to use the "W" antenna on 80 or 160 meters to see what it would really do. Personally I would be thrilled. I am currently using 16 elements total in two diversity arrays and it just makes me yearn for more just to see what can be done. Lee K7TJR
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