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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Alan Swinger <awswin...@earthlink.net> wrote: > . Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come > back after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs that > the computer made, this is unlike Digital modes where operators must remain > engaged to make QSOs. Therefore, seems to me that such Computer-generated > contacts should have a separate category in the current award systems since > the operators are not directly involved in making the QSOs . . . call it > Computer-Aided Digital or something more clever. No argument that skill is > required to set up a station to make FT-8 contacts, but a different set than > what those of us who work DXCC, Challenge, etc use on CW, RTTY, and SSB, > including those towers, expensive equipment, skills, and years of hard work > to get the new ones when there was NO FT-8 or similar modes! > So, I do not be begrudge the new low signal computer-aided modes, nor do I > cast aspersions on the Ops who enjoy using them . . . even though I am > unlikely to join their ranks, but the Ham community should not penalize those > of us who used non-FT modes to get our hard earned awards by giving an unfair > advantage to a new technology. We (Ham Radio) need the New Technology, but > these modes are sufficiently different in many ways from the older modes that > justifies a separate category in the award spectrum. Therefore, I urge the > ARRL and the CQ Magazine leadership to establish a Digital award category > that is separate and different from the current DXCC et al Digital criteria. > Alan Swinger K9MBQ > Charlottesville, VA > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: rich_k...@gphilltop.com >> Sent: Aug 2, 2019 4:22 PM >> To: Harald Rester <harryres...@gmx.de> >> Cc: topband@contesting.com >> Subject: Re: Topband: 160 >> >> As ham radio changes there will remain at least a niche for CW, SSB, and >> RTTY and it's competitions. FT8 will supplement the bands , not supplant >> it, IMO. Do you think FT8, FT4 and whatever digital modes come along are >> the future or will something else take its place? Who knows... time and >> technology moves on. Maybe it might attract some of the Millennials to >> fill in the void by us Baby Boomers who will all too soon be making. >> Let's set a good example for them to follow. >> >> Rich K7ZV >> >> >>> On 2019-08-02 12:42 pm, Harald Rester wrote: >>> Think about the time *we all *could have been on the air, while staring >>> at our screens, typing and reading. I make QSY to the shack - Hpe CU! >>> >>> Harry, DH1NBE >>> >>> >>> >>>> Am 02.08.2019 um 21:26 schrieb uy0zg: >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not propose stopping the FT8. >>>> >>>> just compete with each other. >>>> >>>> But keep in mind - Arnold will be the first -)): >>>> >>>> https://www.alamy.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-terminator-2-judgment-day-1991-image66516208.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Nick, UY0ZG >>>> http://www.topband.in.ua >>>> >>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 21:52: >>>>> Ah so all FT8 users are cheaters. Does that mean that all Russian >>>>> hams use way more power than they should and their scores should not >>>>> count either? >>>>> >>>>> The real issue here is change. Ham radio has been in constant motion >>>>> and change since it started and I hope in continues that way well >>>>> after we are dead. >>>>> >>>>> So we better stop FT8 and protect VE1ZZ? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry no. >>>>> >>>>> Good day. >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/2/2019 12:45 PM, uy0zg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> This is how the world works so that humanity always has moral >>>>>> values. >>>>>> >>>>>> They must be protected. >>>>>> Example: >>>>>> in a few years, 334 VE1ZZ countries will lose their value. His >>>>>> achievements will be eaten by computer programs and robots .... >>>>>> >>>>>> It is right ? >>>>>> Will there be many talents at 160 meters like Jack? >>>>>> >>>>>> Will not be ! >>>>>> >>>>>> On the contrary - more and more stupidity and envy.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Nick, UY0ZG >>>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua >>>>>> >>>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 18:24: >>>>>>> Cheating is cheating. How many people used remote stations, >>>>>>> exceeded >>>>>>> their power limits, etc. Singling out a mode because you are >>>>>>> upset >>>>>>> that it has taken away activity in your preferred mode is not >>>>>>> helpful >>>>>>> to the hobby. Not everyone that use FT8 cheats. Not everyone >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> uses a amp that exceeds their legal limit uses it in that fashion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can you guarantee that everyone on the "Honor Role" was 100 >>>>>>> percent honorable or even anyone that got DXCC did it right? You >>>>>>> can't so please stop singling out a mode you don't care for. We >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> it. Move on. It is here. Just like the Reverse beacon, packet >>>>>>> cluster, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are all hams enjoying many aspects of the hobby. 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