I realize the examples are not normative, but could the example given at 
https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl/#AndConstraintComponent be stated without the blank 
nodes? E.g.

ex:SuperShape
                a sh:NodeShape ;
                sh:property ex:SuperShapePropertyShape .

ex:SuperShapePropertyShape sh:path ex:property ;
                                sh:minCount 1 .

ex:ExampleAndShape
                a sh:NodeShape ;
                sh:targetNode ex:ValidInstance, ex:InvalidInstance ;
                sh:and (
                                ex:SuperShape
                                ex:SubShapePropertyShape
                ) .

:SubShapePropertyShape sh:path ex:property ;
                sh:maxCount 1 .



Also confirming what I think is true, can property shapes use sh:and to a 
similar effect? E.g.

:SubShapePropertyShape sh:path ex:property ;
                sh:maxCount 1 ;
                sh:and (ex:SubShapePropertyShape) .


Thanks,
Steven

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<[email protected]>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:16 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] Compiling Validation and UI/Form semanatics


On 14/04/2018 3:59, Irene Polikoff wrote:
Overrides are not supported, but inheritance is supported.

For example, you could define minCount but not define maxCount, then add a 
definition of maxCount in the “sub shape”.

There are 2 ways of addressing this:


  *   Classes can also be shapes. If you model that way, all you need to do is 
to create a class of all things that your general property constraints will 
apply to, then create subclasses and add additional constraints to them.

     *   For example, you would create a class Person with property shapes that 
say that a person must have name and age. Then you define a subclass Student 
with property shapes that say that students age must be greater than 15 and 
they need to have student ID.

  *   Otherwise, shapes can contain other shapes. You would define a general 
shape with constraints you want to use in other shapes. When you define more 
specific shapes, you would include the general shape into them using sh:and.

     *   https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl/#AndConstraintComponent


An alternative to using sh:and is simply sh:node. In shapes, sh:node fulfills a 
similar role as rdfs:subClassOf for classes. For example state ex:SubShape 
sh:node ex:SuperShape to ensure that all constraints defined for SuperShape 
also apply to the target nodes of SubShape. (Whether tools will understand this 
form of inheritance is another question - currently not all places of the 
TopBraid forms would use sh:node although I'd like to move there).

Holger






On Apr 13, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Rebecca Younes 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

A related question: is it possible for one shape to invoke, inherit, and/or 
override values from another shape? For example, I would like to create a 
general property shape for a title property that defines cardinality, sh:class, 
sh:path, etc. Then in the context of different form shapes, I would like to 
define specific names, descriptions, orders, etc.: "Album title," "Book title," 
and so on. Perhaps I would like to define a default name "Title," which could 
be overridden by the specific form shapes. Is any of this possible?

Thanks.

Rebecca Younes
Semantic Application Developer and Ontology Engineer
Cornell University Library Information Technology


On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 4:17:52 PM UTC-4, Steven Folsom wrote:
I would be interested to be able to look at any implementations where 
Validation shapes are compiled with non-Validation shapes to build Forms, where 
that the validation axioms are maintained in separate shapes from 
non-validation (UI) shapes?

Is anyone doing this? We’ve been considering it for easier maintenance of our 
various shapes, but right now it’s easier to see all the axioms needed for the 
app in one place…

Thanks,
Steven

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