Re: [topbraid-users] general shacl question

Thx ...useful....

Op 3 apr. 2020 17:50 schreef Irene Polikoff <ir...@topquadrant.com>:
I would tell clients the following:

It is nice to have standards, but the bottom line is “do you need the
capabilities of SHACL AF”? If the answer is “Yes”, then use them. People use
things that are non standard or de-facto standards all the time - if they are
needed and important. And vice versa. There are de-jure standards that die
because they were ill conceived and no one uses them. For example, GRDL (and
RIF).

It is also not (at all) a one way street. Quite on contrary. The more people
use SHACL AF, the more likely it is that it will become a Recommendation. W3C
is trying to avoid situations where a spec is taken to Recommendation status
and then no one uses it. The current policy is to follow the use. If your
customers want to see AF move from the Working Group Note status to
Recommendation, the best way to ensure that this happens is to use them.

If the question is about RIF, it is a red herring. RIF was pretty much dead on
arrival.

On Apr 3, 2020, at 10:49 AM, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users
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All clear but then....
What do I tell my clients?

“Small change at this moment that SHACL AF will soon get more status”?

Or can I have a more positive message?
(guess you know the actions and intentions in the current community group)

Thx Michel

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Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] general shacl question

Any W3C member can lobby W3C for starting a working group that will take
something to recommendation level. In fact, you do not even need to be a member
to provide evidence of the need, but only members can participate in a working
group and member voting could block starting a working group.
So this has to do with the amount of community interest and involvement.

If there is ever to be SHACL 2.0 working group, it is likely that it will take
on the advanced features. Will there be one? Again, depends on the general
needs of the community.
A working group process requires a lot of effort, commitment and investment.
There must be companies that are willing and able to sustain it.

In the meantime, community group offers a lighter process and AF note was
already updated through the community group vehicle.

On Apr 3, 2020, at 8:57 AM, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users
<topbraid-users@googlegroups.com<mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Clients are asking me: what is the status of SHACL AF?
They see a work group note from summer 2017 and ask why isn’t it evolving in a
proposed recommendation etc.

Is this related to potential other ideas like RIF recommendation that might be
considered in this process?

Thx for any news on this,
Michel

Ps got also similar questions on your dash stuff
(http://datashapes.org/constraints.html)

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