On 22/06/2021 9:10 am, Steve Ray wrote:
Hi Holger,
Things are looking good on my end using TBC 7.0.1 and only importing
the SHACL URI and not dash or tosh. Running SHACL reasoning and
SHACL validation both seem to work reliably. I'm assuming that, as you
mentioned, dash and/or tosh are brought in automatically if needed.
The only exception is a summer student working on the standards
project who is using the TBC Free edition (which seems to have moved
backwards to 6.0.1). It seems to choke when validating because it
isn't finding some tosh objects.
(Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Shapes graph does not
include tosh:http://datashapes.org/dash#DefaultValueTypeRule
<http://datashapes.org/dash#DefaultValueTypeRule>)
The workaround for the student is just to have him explicitly import
dash.ttl whenever he wants to run the validator, but remove it before
doing his git push. I know that you all aren't supporting TBC Free any
more, but I just wanted to confirm that this is expected behavior.
Yes this sounds plausible. The SHACL engine in that version was different.
Holger
Steve
On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 3:58 PM Holger Knublauch
<hol...@topquadrant.com <mailto:hol...@topquadrant.com>> wrote:
In addition to the extra constraint components
http://datashapes.org/constraints.html
<http://datashapes.org/constraints.html>
the dash namespace also imports the tosh namespace, which contains
constraints on the SHACL metamodel and therefore is used to drive
the forms in EDG.
What you do with the files generated with TopBraid outside of
TopBraid is of course your own decision. I assume all
standards-compliant SHACL validation engines will support at least
SHACL Core without any mandatory owl:imports. In the SHACL API
that I wrote, the code uses dash and tosh internally to identify
the constraint components, so they are internally added in case
they don't exist in the provided shapes graph. But this happens
automatically.
Holger
On 2021-06-20 7:48 am, Steve Ray wrote:
Very cool! With bated breath, I tried it, and nothing blew up!
It would be good to know at some point what functionality I lose
by directly importing
owl:imports<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#
<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#>>;
instead of
owl:imports<http://datashapes.org/dash <http://datashapes.org/dash>>;
Steve
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:36 AM David Price
<dpr...@topquadrant.com <mailto:dpr...@topquadrant.com>> wrote:
Hi Steve and Michel
I’m not near my computer so cannot do it for you, but suggest
replacing dash import with SHACL import and trying it. I
think that’s ok.
Cheers,
David
On 19 Jun 2021, at 08:44, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via
TopBraid Suite Users <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
<mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I have exactly the same issue in CEN TC442/WG4/TG3 ….
I now have:
# baseURI: https://w3id.org/sml/shacl/def
<https://w3id.org/sml/shacl/def>
# imports: https://w3id.org/sml/rdfs/def
<https://w3id.org/sml/rdfs/def>
# imports: http://datashapes.org/dash
<http://datashapes.org/dash>
# imports: http://qudt.org/schema/qudt
<http://qudt.org/schema/qudt>
# imports: http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind
<http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind>
# imports: http://qudt.org/vocab/unit
<http://qudt.org/vocab/unit>
# imports: http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core
<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>
# imports: https://www.w3.org/2006/time
<https://www.w3.org/2006/time>
# prefix: sml
@prefix dash: <http://datashapes.org/dash#
<http://datashapes.org/dash#>> .
@prefix sml: <https://w3id.org/sml/def#
<https://w3id.org/sml/def#>> .
@prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#
<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#>> .
@prefix quantitykind: <http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind/
<http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind/>> .
@prefix qudt: <http://qudt.org/schema/qudt/
<http://qudt.org/schema/qudt/>> .
@prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#
<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>> .
@prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#
<http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>> .
@prefix sh: <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#
<http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl#>> .
@prefix skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#
<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#>> .
@prefix time: <http://www.w3.org/2006/time#
<http://www.w3.org/2006/time#>> .
@prefix unit: <http://qudt.org/vocab/unit/
<http://qudt.org/vocab/unit/>> .
@prefix xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#
<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#>> .
<https://w3id.org/sml/shacl/def
<https://w3id.org/sml/shacl/def>>
a owl:Ontology ;
owl:imports <https://w3id.org/sml/rdfs/def
<https://w3id.org/sml/rdfs/def>> ;
owl:imports <http://datashapes.org/dash
<http://datashapes.org/dash>> ;
owl:imports <http://qudt.org/schema/qudt
<http://qudt.org/schema/qudt>> ;
owl:imports <http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind
<http://qudt.org/vocab/quantitykind>> ;
owl:imports <http://qudt.org/vocab/unit
<http://qudt.org/vocab/unit>> ;
owl:imports <https://www.w3.org/2006/time
<https://www.w3.org/2006/time>> ;
.
Etc.
But people question the red.
Thx michel
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*Onderwerp:* [topbraid-users] Staying with official SHACL
Hi, I'm working with a standards committee that would rather
avoid straying outside the official W3C SHACL standard. My
question is, if I removed the import of datashapes.org/dash
<http://datashapes.org/dash> from the files I'm working
with, does this bring the TopQuadrant tools to a crashing
halt as far as running the SHACL reasoner?
I suppose another way of asking this is whether SHACL is
built in to TBC under the hood, or is the dash import part
of that?
Steve
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