On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Sukhbir Singh <az...@riseup.net> wrote:
> Hi Greg, > > > Hi all, > > > > First of all, great work on Tor Messenger - it's awesome to see Tor > pushing > > to be more accessible to non-technical folks. > > > > I decided to take some notes when installing + using for the first time, > > hopefully this will be helpful. > > > > While there are some minor issues, I'd like to stress that this is a > great > > first step and considering this is the first general public release it's > a > > very good design. > > /////// > > Thanks for the feedback. We know we can do a lot better with the UI/UX, so > any > feedback is appreciated. > > > I'm on an OSX machine, so the first thing I see after clicking on the > icon > > is a message that Tor can't be opened because it's from an unidentified > > developer. This would raise an eyebrow at least for most users. (And > > lessens the effectiveness of the warning if we are going to train users > to > > ignore it) > > This is a concern and the Tor Browser team is in the process of getting the > certificate to sign Tor Browser. Once they have that, we will coordinate > with > them to sign Tor Messenger releases. We are tracking this in #6540 and > #17452. > > https://bugs.torproject.org/6540 > https://bugs.torproject.org/17452 > > > I right click and select "open" and there is a longish pause (>10s) which > > could frustrate new users, then the wizard appears. > > That's unexpected. Did you only experience this the first time you ran Tor > Messenger or on subsequent runs also? > > That was on the first run. Now it's more like 5 seconds max, then the loading screen. (Which BTW, is much improved over the old vidalia + FF style bundle the TBB used to use :) ) > > I don't chat often - I usually text my friends, and I don't want to use > FB > > chat since it's tied to my real name. I remember that Twitter now has no > DM > > limit. But it's not on the main list. I don't have any data to support > this > > intuition, but I suspect that after XMPP, Twitter would be a popular > > protocol. > > We currently do not support DMs (Instantbird doesn't) and that is one of > the > (top) things in our to-do list. > > https://bugs.torproject.org/13312 > > > I click once on "show all protocols" and click continue. There's only a > few > > additional, Twitter being one of them. Not sure why this list wasn't > > present from the beginning. > > The protocol list was more of an arbitrary decision, so the first screen > lists > the top four protocols we think most users would care about, and then > follow > up with two more (Twitter and Odnoklassniki). Thinking about it now, I > think > it's a good idea to display only one screen since we are doing the same > thing. > I have reopened #13323 to discuss this. > > https://bugs.torproject.org/13323 > > > I get options for a local alias and "tracked keywords". I have no clue > what > > the latter is, but it sounds like the concept of a taboo in Harry Potter, > > so for a laugh I put in "Voldermort". > > Yes, this has been pointed to us. We will work on the UI to add hints in > cases > where the terminology may not seen apparent. > > > Now I'm authorizing Instabird. Fairly straightforward. > > > > Now I'm receiving a texted 2f code from twitter and entering it. > > > > Now I'm in, and I can see my Twitter timeline, which is interesting. I > was > > expecting just a buddy list to send DMs, not timeline access. I post a > > tweet to my timeline, then want to send my boss a test DM. But I follow > > >1500 people, and have to scroll a lot to find him. > > > > I locate his name and double click, but nothing happens. > > > > At this point, I suspect a less security minded user might abandon the > app. > > (I end up digging around a bit to find the functionality I need) > > We discussed this and it was recommended that we should probably disable > Twitter until we can support DMs. (Because once we do support DMs, we > support > OTR over DMs, which will be a nice thing to have.) Let's see, it's up for > discussion on how we can make the Twitter experience a bit more pleasant. > > I'm not sure if you need to disable it. In general I'm more of a fan of hiding functionality such that only an expert will seek it out. (Normal users are afraid to break things, if you make it hard to find and give a scary warning, they'll back off) For example, Mozilla hides some of the more dangerous settings in about:config and gives a scary warning if you venture in there. > Thanks. > > -- > Sukhbir > _______________________________________________ > tor-dev mailing list > tor-dev@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev > -- /***********************************/ *Greg Norcie (nor...@cdt.org <nor...@cdt.org>)* *Staff Technologist* *Center for Democracy & Technology* 1634 Eye St NW Suite 1100 Washington DC 20006 (p) 202-637-9800 PGP: http://norcie.com/pgp.txt Fingerprint: 73DF-6710-520F-83FE-03B5 8407-2D0E-ABC3-E1AE-21F1 /***********************************/
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