What about a disclaimer generated by the tor master site put at the top of the mirrors list. "This page was last updated on XXXXX. If this date is older than XXXX weeks/days ago, you may want to try another mirror in this list for a more up to date copy of Tor".
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:00 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send tor-mirrors mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-mirrors > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tor-mirrors digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the 'Mirrors' at title > page (Taiga-san) > 2. Re: Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the 'Mirrors' at title > page (Thwarth Wrhalthssen) > 3. Re: Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the 'Mirrors' at title > page (Andrew Lewman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:39:48 +0200 > From: "Taiga-san" <[email protected]> > To: "'mirroring the tor website and distribution directory'" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [tor-mirrors] Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the > 'Mirrors' at title page > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > It will run on user's computer and will try to access the other mirrors' > timestamps and if it will discover, that the current mirror (on which > script > is executed) is definitely outdated, the warning and some links to > up-to-date mirrors will appear. Maybe even automatic redirect. > In other words you want some JavaScript code on the TOR page contacting a > lot of different pages from an eventually outdated list silently in the > background and additionally change the page wether the user wants it or > not. > > JavaScript can compromise your privacy which is exactly why it's disabled > in > the TOR Browser. I'm not paranoid, however, if I'm looking for some strong > privacy/anonymity proxy like TOR, there are some things I don't want so see > like some JS contacting other sites, ads, lots of cookies etc. > > > that the current mirror (on which script is executed) > Well, you didn't mean server-side, still: I'm against server-side scripts. > The PHP engine is disabled for the TOR mirror on my server and anything > else > like CGI, Perl, SSI etc. is globally disabled (module not loaded) and I > won't change that. > > While I agree that there's the need of making it better, I can't imagine a > good technical way to do it. That's probably why the things are like they > are at the moment. > > PS: Sorry for any mistakes made. > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: tor-mirrors [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von Thwarth Wrhalthssen > Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juni 2013 13:22 > An: mirroring the tor website and distribution directory > Betreff: Re: [tor-mirrors] Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the 'Mirrors' at > title page > > > Mostly because people find the mirrors in search engine results, and > > when it links to our page, they find they're out of date. This is a > > hint to not use them. > People, who should probably use a mirror, will not access the > TorProject.org > with actual statuses of mirrors. Instead, they will access some random > mirror, possibly outdated, with the outdated mirror list. So, the > information about a status of any particular mirror which they will gather > from it, will be unuseful. So, I think there is no actually need in keeping > outdated mirrors in the list non-hidden. > > > If torproject.org is blocked, finding the mirrors page isn't going to > > help you. > > If TorProject.org is blocked, it will be a small chance to find an > up-to-date mirror on the net. For now, if you find some mirror, you never > know if it is updated or not. Apparently, there need to be a method to > display the mirror status, maybe on the title page. > > Some script on the title page can be implemented, that will gather > information from all known updated mirrors about latest actual timestamp. > It > will run on user's computer and will try to access the other mirrors' > timestamps and if it will discover, that the current mirror (on which > script > is executed) is definitely outdated, the warning and some links to > up-to-date mirrors will appear. Maybe even automatic redirect. I think it > can be implemented easily and will add a plenty of accessibility and > popularity to the mirrors. > > Suggestions from all the operators concerned are very welcome. > > On 06/20/2013 01:54 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:27:47 +0400 > > Thwarth Wrhalthssen<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I think the mirrors page should be redesigned a little. What is the > >> purpose of displaying all outdated and non-accessible mirrors? The > >> owners of such mirrors are barely interested in maintaining them, so, > >> I think, the best option is just to remove or hide them from the > >> list. If owner of such mirror is interested in running it updated, > >> he'll notice, that his site isn't listed anymore, he'll update it and > >> his mirror will show up again in the list. Additionaly, it would be > >> great to add a Javascript code to the list to make it possible to > >> filter mirrors by country and services accessible (and a tiny country > >> flags, just for lucidity). > > Mostly because people find the mirrors in search engine results, and > > when it links to our page, they find they're out of date. This is a > > hint to not use them. > > > > Frankly, the whole mirroring system needs a rewrite and update. > > > >> The second issue is the access to the mirrors page. For now you need > >> to scroll down to the bottom page and find a tiny 'Mirrors' link in > >> the 'Get Involved' section. Isn't it difficult enough? The Tor > >> software is blocked in variety of countries and the mirrors are > >> essential part of maintaining Tor website accessible, so isn't it > >> right to make a link to the mirrors list somehow more accessible? I > >> mean, for example, put 'Mirrors' list in the top navigation section > >> ('Home', 'About Tor' etc). I believe lot of people failed to find > >> this list just because it's location on the site is non-obvious. > >> Maybe a crucial part of them are simply don't know the mirrors list > >> exist. > > Mostly because we know people find the mirrors via search engines, not > > linking to our site. If torproject.org is blocked, finding the mirrors > > page isn't going to help you. > > > > We're open to ideas here. > > > _______________________________________________ > tor-mirrors mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-mirrors > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:47:23 +0400 > From: Thwarth Wrhalthssen <[email protected]> > To: mirroring the tor website and distribution directory > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [tor-mirrors] Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the > 'Mirrors' at title page > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > that the current mirror (on which script is executed) > > Well, you didn't mean server-side > Yes, I meant a client script. I just discovered that the site really > doesn't include any client-side scripts, so my suggestion to implement a > script is useless due to this policy. Maybe someone can suggest > something better. > > On 06/21/2013 04:39 PM, Taiga-san wrote: > >> It will run on user's computer and will try to access the other mirrors' > > timestamps and if it will discover, that the current mirror (on which > script > > is executed) is definitely outdated, the warning and some links to > > up-to-date mirrors will appear. Maybe even automatic redirect. > > In other words you want some JavaScript code on the TOR page contacting a > > lot of different pages from an eventually outdated list silently in the > > background and additionally change the page wether the user wants it or > not. > > > > JavaScript can compromise your privacy which is exactly why it's > disabled in > > the TOR Browser. I'm not paranoid, however, if I'm looking for some > strong > > privacy/anonymity proxy like TOR, there are some things I don't want so > see > > like some JS contacting other sites, ads, lots of cookies etc. > > > > > that the current mirror (on which script is executed) > > Well, you didn't mean server-side, still: I'm against server-side > scripts. > > The PHP engine is disabled for the TOR mirror on my server and anything > else > > like CGI, Perl, SSI etc. is globally disabled (module not loaded) and I > > won't change that. > > > > While I agree that there's the need of making it better, I can't imagine > a > > good technical way to do it. That's probably why the things are like they > > are at the moment. > > > > PS: Sorry for any mistakes made. > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: tor-mirrors [mailto:[email protected]] Im > > Auftrag von Thwarth Wrhalthssen > > Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juni 2013 13:22 > > An: mirroring the tor website and distribution directory > > Betreff: Re: [tor-mirrors] Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the 'Mirrors' > at > > title page > > > >> Mostly because people find the mirrors in search engine results, and > >> when it links to our page, they find they're out of date. This is a > >> hint to not use them. > > People, who should probably use a mirror, will not access the > TorProject.org > > with actual statuses of mirrors. Instead, they will access some random > > mirror, possibly outdated, with the outdated mirror list. So, the > > information about a status of any particular mirror which they will > gather > > from it, will be unuseful. So, I think there is no actually need in > keeping > > outdated mirrors in the list non-hidden. > > > >> If torproject.org is blocked, finding the mirrors page isn't going to > >> help you. > > If TorProject.org is blocked, it will be a small chance to find an > > up-to-date mirror on the net. For now, if you find some mirror, you never > > know if it is updated or not. Apparently, there need to be a method to > > display the mirror status, maybe on the title page. > > > > Some script on the title page can be implemented, that will gather > > information from all known updated mirrors about latest actual > timestamp. It > > will run on user's computer and will try to access the other mirrors' > > timestamps and if it will discover, that the current mirror (on which > script > > is executed) is definitely outdated, the warning and some links to > > up-to-date mirrors will appear. Maybe even automatic redirect. I think it > > can be implemented easily and will add a plenty of accessibility and > > popularity to the mirrors. > > > > Suggestions from all the operators concerned are very welcome. > > > > On 06/20/2013 01:54 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:27:47 +0400 > >> Thwarth Wrhalthssen<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> I think the mirrors page should be redesigned a little. What is the > >>> purpose of displaying all outdated and non-accessible mirrors? The > >>> owners of such mirrors are barely interested in maintaining them, so, > >>> I think, the best option is just to remove or hide them from the > >>> list. If owner of such mirror is interested in running it updated, > >>> he'll notice, that his site isn't listed anymore, he'll update it and > >>> his mirror will show up again in the list. Additionaly, it would be > >>> great to add a Javascript code to the list to make it possible to > >>> filter mirrors by country and services accessible (and a tiny country > >>> flags, just for lucidity). > >> Mostly because people find the mirrors in search engine results, and > >> when it links to our page, they find they're out of date. This is a > >> hint to not use them. > >> > >> Frankly, the whole mirroring system needs a rewrite and update. > >> > >>> The second issue is the access to the mirrors page. For now you need > >>> to scroll down to the bottom page and find a tiny 'Mirrors' link in > >>> the 'Get Involved' section. Isn't it difficult enough? The Tor > >>> software is blocked in variety of countries and the mirrors are > >>> essential part of maintaining Tor website accessible, so isn't it > >>> right to make a link to the mirrors list somehow more accessible? I > >>> mean, for example, put 'Mirrors' list in the top navigation section > >>> ('Home', 'About Tor' etc). I believe lot of people failed to find > >>> this list just because it's location on the site is non-obvious. > >>> Maybe a crucial part of them are simply don't know the mirrors list > >>> exist. > >> Mostly because we know people find the mirrors via search engines, not > >> linking to our site. If torproject.org is blocked, finding the mirrors > >> page isn't going to help you. > >> > >> We're open to ideas here. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tor-mirrors mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-mirrors > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tor-mirrors mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-mirrors > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:30:56 -0400 > From: Andrew Lewman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [tor-mirrors] Outdated mirrors hide / Link to the > 'Mirrors' at title page > Message-ID: <20130621123056.4cb9258a@kilik> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:39:48 +0200 > "Taiga-san" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > JavaScript can compromise your privacy which is exactly why it's > > disabled in the TOR Browser. I'm not paranoid, however, if I'm > > looking for some strong privacy/anonymity proxy like TOR, there are > > some things I don't want so see like some JS contacting other sites, > > ads, lots of cookies etc. > > javascript is enabled in tor browser. See > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TBBJavaScriptEnabled > > > While I agree that there's the need of making it better, I can't > > imagine a good technical way to do it. That's probably why the things > > are like they are at the moment. > > There are some open tickets on this: > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6978 > > and > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3947 > > > -- > Andrew > http://tpo.is/contact > pgp 0x6B4D6475 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > tor-mirrors mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-mirrors > > > ------------------------------ > > End of tor-mirrors Digest, Vol 25, Issue 10 > ******************************************* >
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