> On 5 Oct 2016, at 18:10, <oco...@email.cz> <oco...@email.cz> wrote: > > We're back to IPS, which can drop the specific malicious traffic. I've been > speaking with the lawyer few minutes ago. He told me that there is a pressure > to put all the responsibility for the traffic to the ISPs. Well ... what are > the ISPs most probably going to do ... ? They can ban all tor exit nodes, or > they will force the owners to clear the traffic. > > When you're worried about being accused, why you don't use fake information > during registration and payments with bitcoins? Then you can also filter the > traffic by IPS ... and everybory will be happy.
There are a few things wrong with your suggested solution: * it's really, really hard to stay anonymous on the Internet as an individual, and impossible for many corporations (it's hard to be transparent about how you spend money as a charity, and be anonymous at the same time), * if all Tor Exit Nodes are anonymous, ISPs may block them more, not less, * filtering will likely get your Exit marked as a BadExit, * IPS aren't perfect - they let some unwanted traffic through, and block other traffic that is totally ok. Tim > > What should a tor exit op do? Ban the user? exits get the traffic from middle > nodes and we cant tell (by design) who anyone is. We can block ips but that > is not really helping with bots who tries to find vulnerabilities and scan > large blocks. > > markus > > Sent from my iPad > > On 4 Oct 2016, at 23:55, <oco...@email.cz> <oco...@email.cz> wrote: > > If I understand that well ... if tor operator is avare, that his tor node is > used for illegal activity (when their ISP told them about that) and he's not > going to do anything abou that, he wont be guity by complicity? > > > On 04.10.16 22:37, oco...@email.cz wrote: > > > Tor and IPS has both it's own nature and you shouldn't be punished, if > > your intension was just to filter the bad traffic. > > And who is to decide what constitutes "bad traffic"? I am not a lawyer, > but in Germany one of the cornerstones of not being held responsible > for traffic passing through a Tor node is ยง 8 of the Telemediengesetz: > http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/__8.html -- sometimes referred to > colloquially as the "provider privilege". > > One only is free of responsibility if one neither initiates a transfer, > nor selects the transfer's destination, nor selects or modifies the > transmitted data. That's what "passing through" means. > > According to two lawyers I spoke to, exit policies might already be > borderline breaking these rules for exit nodes, but the technical basis > at least guarantees that traffic will never reach an exit node that does > not let it pass. Now think of a firewall that interferes with transfers > once the data has already reached the exit node. Wouldn't you agree that > this means selecting/modifiying the transmitted data? > > That's just one national law that I am aware of, I imagine other > countries have similar regulations in place. Any internet service > provider interfering with net neutrality risks lawsuits, because it is > not an ISP's prerogative to decide what traffic is "good" or "bad". > > -Ralph > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > = > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays T -- Tim Wilson-Brown (teor) teor2345 at gmail dot com PGP C855 6CED 5D90 A0C5 29F6 4D43 450C BA7F 968F 094B ricochet:ekmygaiu4rzgsk6n xmpp: teor at torproject dot org
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