gus:
On Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 07:49:47PM +0100, nusenu wrote:gus:On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 11:26:07PM +0100, nusenu wrote:I've got some practical experience with how things are (not) handled by the Tor Project in this space which discourages involvement. The past has also shown that proposals in this area are not handled as tor proposals in the sense of [1].I believe some proposals about relay operators were not handled as people had different opinions about the Tor Community governance and its process.I actually had something else in mind (see geko's reply) but if you say that people had no clear understanding or different opinions about community governance than it might also be a good time to start clarifying it. The point "clarify and describe the different involved roles" as mentioned on Saturday's relay meetup is a good start in this specific context and I agree that it will be useful.We're not in the process of approving any of them.a few questions: - Can you describe the process these proposals will undergo after they got collected? - Who "approves" / rejects them? - Will it be a public and transparent process? - Who will be involved in the process? - How are relay operators included and to what extend? - Will "approved" proposals be enforced? - How will they get enforced? New tor release or directory authority vote? - Will directory authorities be formally required to enforce "approved" proposals?Great questions. - Yes, it will be a public and transparent process;When geko highlighted the sponsor in the meeting something along the lines of "sitting down with our sponsor and defining criterias" (if you haven't been at the meeting don't take this too serious) it made me wonder: If this is a public and transparent process, who is financing this work? (dubbed S112)If you're not familiar with project management practices at the Tor Project, it's important to note that Sponsor+code is simply a numerical code assigned by the operations/grants team to a particular funded project. It is not a cypherpunk "scramble box" as some may mistakenly assume. The sponsor name, DRL (Department of State Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor - US Gov), can be found in the linked milestone that was previously shared, during the meetup, and is also publicly listed in our GitLab instance. Milestone: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/-/milestones/44#tab-issues S112 activity tracked with the label "S112" in our GitLab: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/-/issues/?sort=created_date&state=opened&label_name%5B%5D=Sponsor%20112&first_page_size=100 You can find all the current Tor Project sponsors, projects and reports here: - Project wiki page: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/team/-/wikis/sponsors-2023 - Current Sponsors: https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors/ - Fiscal year reports: https://www.torproject.org/about/reports/ For those interested on learning more about S112 work, the Network Health team meet every Monday at 16 UTC, on #tor-meeting (irc.oftc.net), and we've been adding the relevant topics on the relay operator meetup agenda.
To add to what Gus said: we have from time to time face-to-face meetings[1] and we publish meeting notes for those as well. So watch that space, too. :)
In our latest face-to-face meeting two weeks ago we had a session about network health proposals and I just finished uploading the notes[2] for those of you who are interested. Two highlights included there are
- our current draft of proposal evaluation criteria- some proposal ideas we as the Tor Project should pursue, which are all tracked in our shiny new policies project[3]. I expect more to come in this area... :)
Georg[1] https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/team/-/wikis/Meetings#face-to-face-annual-meeting-notes [2] https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/team/-/wikis/2023-Tor-Meeting-Costa-Rica-Wiki/Network-Health-proposals
[3] https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/policies
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