On 08/03/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: > Hi Cari, > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:07PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: >> dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get >> funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the >> general US gov > > I'm confused. I work at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. The Navy > is a standard place for me to apply to with any funding proposal. > Perhaps this will help > http://www.nrl.navy.mil/doing-business/
When did you start working at NRL? Also, what were some of your other early projects? > And, for any proposal, we _don't_ know that we can get funding for it > till a funder agrees. > > HTH, > Paul > >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Paul Syverson <paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 03:58:59PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote: >>>>> You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of >>>>> answers your question would generate. >>>> >>>> I was hoping for responses like those from Dr. Syverson. I was not >>>> interested in debating the ethics or justification---simply what the >>>> original funders were looking for / wishing to fund. >>>> >>>> To summarize, the answer I got was: There was no explicit problem to >>>> be solved, >>> >>> There _were_ explicit problems, but nobody approached us with them or >>> with requirements that they said needed a new technology. We came up >>> with some specific problems we thought might be useful to solve and a >>> technology that addressed them. These co-evolved, and I can't say >>> which is the chicken and which is the egg. We also tried to design in >>> an open-ended and modular way in expectation of other applications >>> that we had not yet thought of or evolutions of existing applications. >>> And this was as much or more about anticipation than about the >>> communication environment that existed at the time, which is the >>> reason I mentioned the pizza channel (since I don't think anybody was >>> offering a way to order food over the Web in 1995). >>> >>>> we just had this cool research idea and ONR was cool with >>>> funding us to study it. However, when we discussed the motivations >>>> with managers we talked about mitigating leaks from things like "The >>>> Pizza Channel" or enabling field-agents to covertly phone home. >>> >>> Well not just managers. In papers, conference presentations, etc. >>> basically to anyone that we were trying to tell about onion routing >>> and what it had the potential to do. >>> >>> aloha, >>> Paul >>> >>>> >>>> -V >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Juan <juan....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:41:18 +0800 >>>>> Virgil Griffith <i...@virgil.gr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By the way, you started this thread here and now you want to >>>>> move it somewhere else? >>>>> >>>>> You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of >>>>> answers your question would generate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Juan <juan....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300 >>>>>>> Cari Machet <carimac...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use >>>>>>>> tor ... if YOU dont it wont work >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bingo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If only the criminals from the americunt military and other >>>>>>> branches of government used some kind of 'secret' network, >>>>>>> it wouldn't be secret at all. So they (have to) use other users as >>>>>>> cover. Sick - like everything the US government does. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> syverson - the way it is portrayed here - worked at the naval lab >>>>>>>> and developed the idea there >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >>>>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>>>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>> -- >>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>> -- >>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cari Machet >> NYC 646-436-7795 >> carimac...@gmail.com >> AIM carismachet >> Syria +963-099 277 3243 >> Amman +962 077 636 9407 >> Berlin +49 152 11779219 >> Reykjavik +354 894 8650 >> Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> >> >> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 >> >> Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the >> addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. 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