On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:05:23PM -0000, foodforthou...@sigaint.org wrote: > Things are never black and white, there are always two sides of a story > and people are never only good or bad. > > But was it really our first and foremost concern to find out the "truth"? > Is the lesson to be learned, if you will, about who is to blame? About > shaming the victims or shaming the alleged perpetrator? About whether or > not the "accused" will be found "guilty"? Is an "evidence-based > discussion" or "due process" really going to solve the greater issue here? > > In a community that claims to strive for equality, accusations against one > person raise much broader questions and issues, like: > > -) How much leadership/charisma/hero-worshiping can be healthy for a > community of self-empowered people? > > -) What is not criminal can still be harmful, disrespectful, humiliating or > violating consent, just as what is criminal can still be ethical or > consensual. Innocent until found guilty misses the mark in this context. > > -) If we were living in a community/society of fulfilled people, who feel > accepted, approved of and loved by their peers, there would be no such > thing as abuse or harassment. But we don't. (Yet?) How do we deal with > this discrepancy in a constructive way?
Beautiful! > -) If someone voices concerns about a certain individual, how do we open > lines of communication before too many get harmed? How do we treat both > parties involved respectfully? > > -) Even when a person, from the bottom of their heart, talks about > sex-positivism, respect for others, transparency and equality, it does not > mean that they can live up to their own expectations. Their own disability > to do so may make them even more enthusiastic talking about it. > > -) We are all humans, we are fallible, we are flawed, we cause harm in > others. The question is, do we create an environment where failure is > recognized, do we surround ourselves with friends who will tell us we > failed? Will they express concern, when self-reflection and self-criticism > have failed us? Will people speak up even to the one person considered a > role model? Or do we kick issues into the long grass and surround > ourselves with yes-men? > This ties in with the first question. Great questions. Thanks for being so constructive! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk