I'm surprised more people don't run their own mail. Using something like mailinabox (https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox) wonder how hard it would be to fork it and create a version that is configured to use Tor / not leak DNS / etcetera.
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:25 AM, MegaBrutal <megabru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2016-07-19 7:13 GMT+02:00 Friet Pan <friet...@ymail.com>: >> >> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving THIS >> message. > > It was tagged as SPAM, but luckily I always check my SPAM folder for > false positives, so I unspammed it. This helps GMail to learn that > this message is safe. > > To be precise, I'm not entirely sure whether your mail was tagged as > SPAM, or me's message who replied to it about an hour ago, since GMail > organizes conversations into threads, and I just found the thread in > the SPAM folder. > >> >> I'm NOT a spammer. Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam? or >> better can TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into >> development? >> >> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish speak how >> the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel teamed together >> to force people to 'autenticate' >> >> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our privacy. >> (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?) >> >> can this be fixed? >> > > Oh, boy... Flagging TOR-related messages as SPAM is only the top of > the iceberg. The e-mail system is already very discriminative in order > to filter SPAM, which would otherwise take the majority of mail > traffic. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply here. For > example, some providers block dynamic IPs by default. It bothers me > because I run my own mail server from a dynamic IP, and I don't think > it is fair to block my messages just because I happen to be sending > them from a dynamically allocated IP, while I have no history of > sending SPAM. Luckily, most providers use Spamhaus, and Spamhaus has a > quick de-listing procedure, so every time my IP changes, I need to go > to Spamhaus to de-list my IP. But it still causes a little pain in the > ass. Not to mention that others may use a different blacklist, for > example SORBS, which does not allow de-listing (or they have a long, > complicated de-listing procedure, and in the end they would not allow > me to de-list my dynamic IPs anyway). > > So, can I sue those who list or block my messages because I send them > from a dynamic IP? I don't think so. The case is not very different > with TOR. For the higher anonimity of Tor, it has an even higher risk > of SPAM, significantly higher than dynamic IPs – who knows, maybe the > exit node you use was already used by spammers who were really sending > SPAM out through Tor. Since there is no way to discern the users of a > Tor exit node, there is no way to tell that you are not the same > spammer who was sending spam through the same node earlier. If you > think about it, Tor would be ideal for spammers to send spam, so > likely they use it. > > It sucks. Well-intentioned people are blocked because OTHERS were > abusing services by spamming, or even worse, by using Tor to relay > their SPAM, which is not really the purpose of Tor. Since there is no > way to discern the good users from the bad ones, there is no way to > solve this problem. > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk