You should submit a patch, that would be a great way to move the conversation forward 😄 -Kevin
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:34 PM Lee <ler...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper <kevin.sim...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think the website is good, > > If they'd fix the download link on > https://www.torproject.org/download/ it would be a lot better. > > > I felt before that it left out newcomers that > > didn't know what torbrowser was already, so much was going on that it > would > > confuse people that just have heard others mention tor browser and want > to > > check it out. > > It seems to me that newcomers are the ones that most need warnings > instead of a blanket > Protect yourself against tracking, surveillance, and censorship. > > but I don't see anything there about tbb not defaulting to a safer config > https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TBBJavaScriptEnabled > > and is this still be an open problem? > > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4x3qnj/how-the-nsa-or-anyone-else-can-crack-tors-anonymity > > But tor needs 'covering traffic' and .. what? They don't want to > scare people away? > > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/dear-nsa-privacy-fundamental-right-not-reasonable-suspicion > > > I think there is still space for more nerdy pages and I think anyone is > > allowed to create such a page if they want +1 > > > > The only thing I am missing is some call to actions for different parts > of > > the website when you have done scrolling to the bottom of the page 😄 > > I'm missing a link for downloading tor. > > Regards, > Lee > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 4:17 PM Lee <ler...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On 4/3/19, blacklight...@tutanota.com <blacklight...@tutanota.com> > wrote: > >> > Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point > >> > >> It looks more like frustration to me > >> >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org > >> >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. > >> > >> Starting at https://www.torproject.org/ > >> Browse Privately. > >> - with no caveats. > >> BLOCK TRACKERS > >> - except they aren't actually blocked, just isolated. right? > >> DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE > >> - I suspect tor is a better defense than using a vpn but still... > >> with no warnings or caveats it seems a bit much. > >> RESIST FINGERPRINTING > >> - yay! "Tor Browser aims to ..." a reasonable claim. > >> > >> But wait! There's more!! > >> > >> Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link & go to > >> https://www.torproject.org/download/ > >> Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link on that page and get sent to > >> "../download/" but that's where I was, so wtf? Maybe I need > >> javascript enabled?? > >> > >> There's also a link for "Verify Tor Browser signature" but no link to > >> the signature file. > >> > >> At least the "Download in another language" link gets me to a page > >> where I can download tbb and the sig. It doesn't show which version > >> will be downloaded, but it does have working links, so it's infinitely > >> better than the download page. > >> > >> Lee > >> > >> > >> > Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 AM by grarp...@gmail.com: > >> > > >> >>> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they > >> >>> have > >> >>> a malicious intent? > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> Why do adversaries do that to their opponents? > >> >> Because it's a simple and effective diversion operation. > >> >> Nor is it dependant upon whether any "malicious intent". > >> >> Adversaries often fund their opponents to keep them busy and happy > >> >> even if opponent only a few steps tangent behind the race to actually > >> >> being able to kill the adversary. It can work actively... > >> >> "Here's a pile and stream of money to develop some useless > >> >> or thing we want in an RFP / contract / grant / employee", > >> >> or passively... "Hey, those guys seem to be going down useless > >> >> paths, ok here's a bunch of money to keep them happily digging > >> >> in those holes, LOL." Usually delivered by false fronts. > >> >> See also "regulatory capture" type of concept. Also how nice > >> >> salaries and simple weight of self reinforcing mass inertia and > >> >> groupthink over time can keep any one or group settled into the > >> >> same thing, less dynamism, up to even not abandoning and starting > >> >> out elsewhere due to simple risk aversion... "job food friends > >> lifestyle." > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Is an entity, product, or network subject to whatever > >> >> to some degree or other? Maybe, maybe not, others decide. > >> >> Yet without talking about and analysing harder questions > >> >> once in a while, especially as generations come and go, > >> >> people might have less sense therein. > >> >> > >> >> If a site looks sexy it must be good, right? > >> >> That's what at least marketers think, and it's perhaps good enough > >> >> for browsing mundane TV news sites. Yet there's no frontpage > >> >> splash disclaimer for others with more sensitive, vulnerable, > >> >> or different use cases. > >> >> > >> >> Nor mention of Tor people hypocritically trying to censor ban > >> >> nodes out of the consensus for, ironically, nothing more than > >> >> excercising their right to free speech. Instead of say punting that > >> >> out to meta analysis projects that users can choose to subscribe > >> >> to as suits their own likes, support, and thinking therein. > >> >> > >> >> To be fair, no different than any other business (say ibm.com) > >> >> or opensource project... finding much suitability disclaimer > >> >> on anyone's pages, surely not without a good number of clicks, > >> >> it's of less interest or natural to cover some potentially > >> >> questionable areas, adversarial weaknesses, etc... it doesn't sell. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Anyhow... > >> >> > >> >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org > >> >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Some historical bisects.. > >> >> > >> >> Site v1 > >> >> first, domain 1998-01-29 > >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net/ > >> > > >> >> > >> >> same content actually to "circa" 2006 > >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net/ > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net/ > >> > > >> >> except for the gov diff > >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net/ > >> > > >> >> > >> >> curr > >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net/ > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Site v2 > >> >> first, domain 2006-10-17 > >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org/> > >> >> last > >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org/> > >> >> > >> >> Site v3 > >> >> first > >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org/> > >> >> last > >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org/> > >> >> > >> >> Site v4 > >> >> first > >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org > >> >> < > http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org/> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Misc... > >> >> > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter > >> >> < > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter > >> > > >> >> > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter > >> >> < > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter > >> > > >> >> > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter > >> >> < > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter > >> > > >> >> > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki > >> >> < > >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> what you said > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> It's really all junk lately, just delete it. > >> >> -- > >> >> tor-talk mailing list - > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > >> >> <mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org> > >> >> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > >> >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > >> >> <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk> > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > >> > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > >> > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > >> > > >> -- > >> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > >> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > >> > > -- > > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk