Even if off topic, please do post again when you get the context behind Microsoft's acquisitions going sour. I would love to read it.
Until then, I need to migrate my own stuff to GitLab. GH On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Rob Landley <r...@landley.net> wrote: > On 06/05/2018 05:34 AM, Reverend Homer wrote:> On 05/06/18 08:34, Rob > Landley wrote: > >> On 06/04/2018 01:04 AM, Reverend Homer wrote: > >>> gitlab? cgit @ landley.net? > >> > >> Maybe gitlab. > > > > I take it back. Gitlab is hosted at Microsoft Azure. > > Eh, hosted isn't the same as owned by. > > Running on commodity linux containers in the azure cloud probably isn't > noticeably worse than running on commodity rackmount whiteboxes in some > nameless > low-bidder data center in houston? The point of all that infrastructure is > to be > fungible. (I'd never trust _proprietary_ data to them because I fully > expect > they're snooping the contents of every container for secrets to copy. But > if > it's public stuff that's cryptographically verifiable? They can't do much > worse > than sourceforge...) > > "Owned by microsoft" is a problem because historically every acquisition > microsoft's ever made involved the entire staff of the original company > leaving > and the technology being taken over by bureaucrats, and there's a _reason_ > for > this that requires a lot of context to explain. More than I want to post > on a > technical mailing list for an unrelated project. > > Properly explaining what really worries me about the github acquisition > requires > understanding a business framework I wrote about long ago based on chapter > 12 of > the book "Accidental Empries" mixed with bits of the mythical man-month > and the > innovator's dilemma. It was the most popular series I ever wrote at The > Motley > Fool and I saved a link to an australian author reviewing my article > series for > a german magazine: > > http://landley.net/writing/#3waves > > In 2016 I gave a talk at the Flourish conference on that with updated > material > and so on, and they never posted the video they recorded. I has a sad about > that, I wasn't jetlagged or anything! > > Sigh. Looks like the most recent attempt I did to update the explanation > was in > 2011: > > https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#01-12-2011 > https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#02-12-2011 > https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#04-12-2011 > https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#05-12-2011 > https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#06-12-2011 > > >> <...> > >> I could go on for quite some time (no, seriously, you want 5x this much > >> material? Say the word.) > > > > I'll be glad to read! I found out a lot of interesting stuff from this > > message. > > Sigh. I'm not significantly motivated by dislike of microsoft any more > than I'm > motivated by dislike of facebook, or perl. There was a time I monitored > them > closely as a relevant threat, but that was quite a while ago: > > https://www.fool.com/archive/portfolios/rulemaker/1998/12/ > 21/microsoft-the-overdog-rule-maker-portfolio-decem.aspx > > Burying you in links is easy. The phrase "astroturf" was coined to describe > microsoft's fake PR posing as grass-roots organization (in zdnet I think? > I dug > up the link > http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/siliconspin/features/story/0, > 3671,2103460,00.html from > http://www.landley.net/writing/mirror/fool/todo/CashKingPort981118.htm > but all > archive.org has for it is archived 404 errors), but if you google for > "microsoft > astroturf" today you get plenty of > http://techrights.org/2009/05/27/ghettoblaster-may-be-microsoft-astroturf/ > https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1143683 > https://gigaom.com/2012/04/26/the-ethics-of-astro-turfing- > sleazy-or-smart-business/ > https://www.prweek.com/article/1236875/pr-technique- > astroturf---grassroots-beware-imitations-grassroots-campaigns-influence- > legislators-popular-effective-public-affairs-people-known-fake-it > and so on. > > There's even a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft > wikipedia > page you could read if you care that much. > > But that's all water under the bridge. IBM used to be evil too, the DEC > Field > Circus" was one of the big early opposition forces against unix... they > don't > matter anymore. > > I have a general interest in computer history and often try to put it > together > into a larger story: > > https://landley.net/notes-2010.html#17-07-2010 > https://landley.net/notes-2010.html#19-07-2010 > > But microsoft is such one-note evil it's not really very interesting. I > moved on > from being annoyed about them to being about the FSF about 15 years ago. > > I'd much rather point you at Steven Levy's book "Hackers" and then say > "now read > Ken Olsen's smithosonian interview for the other half of the story" (which > I > mirrored at http://landley.net/history/mirror/interviews/olsen.html ), or > point > you at all 4 sides of the story of the invention of the 4004 (Ted Hoff the > designer is http://landley.net/history/mirror/intel/Hoff.html Federico > Fagin the > layout engineer who left to found Zilog is > http://landley.net/history/mirror/interviews/Faggin.html their manager > Gordon > Moore is http://landley.net/history/mirror/interviews/Moore.html and the > japanese engineer who was their customer liason at busicom and who some > people > say was the real brains behind it is > http://landley.net/history/mirror/intel/shima.html )... > > And I need to redo my "rise and fall of copyleft" talk (link to the mp3 of > the > ohio linuxfest one at the start of my outline, > https://landley.net/talks/ohio-2013.txt but it's a bit incoherent without > the > video I was showing on the screen and stops suddenly when the video cable > fell > out in a way that makes _no_ sense audhio-only, but again they recorded > video > and only ever posted audio...) but that mentions how the apple vs franklin > decision of 1983 extended copyright to cover binaries and thus invented > proprietary software, even though back in 1980 Bill Gates had testified > before > congress _demanding_ the law be changed and had failed to make any > progress, as > he explained to a journalist who recorded the conversation and yes I have > the > mp3, on https://landley.net/history/mirror look for "1980 audio interview > with > bill gates"... > > Anyway... off topic here. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Toybox mailing list > Toybox@lists.landley.net > http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net >
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