On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 20:02 Rob Landley <r...@landley.net> wrote: > Somebody (not me) recently added a link to the busybox vs toybox talk to > the > toybox wikipedia page, and they removed it again as irrelevant. (The > <strike>Aristocrats!</strike> Wikimedia Foundation!) Maybe the bot > triggered > because it was a footnote that never got cited? (Just a guess.) >
If you click on the bot's name it takes you to a page that explains that only "established users" can link to sites like YouTube, to prevent spam. Since I always make anonymous edits I can't help you there. (I've addressed the other stuff though. Luckily I found a CL from one of the build guys that lets me not be a disallowed primary source for the "also used to *build* Android" stuff I added at the same time 😃) Obviously I can't edit the toybox page on there because I have firsthand > knowledge and am thus disqualified (and apparently even a video of me > speaking > on the topic is out of bounds as not sufficiently hearsay/anecdotal), but > the > first paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toybox says 150 commands > when > defconfig is over 200 now (and has been for a while) and that's just math. > > Also, what does the word "some" in the first line contribute? Why not > "Toybox is > a 0BSD licensed implementation of over 200 basic Unix command line > utilities." > (They have a > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#0-clause_license_(%22Zero_Clause_BSD%22) > so I don't see why they can't link to it? But then I dunno why wikipedia > does > anything...) > > "certain other operating systems"... certain? It's tested on linux, bsd, > and > OSX, if it's been ported to anything else nobody's bothered to inform me > yet. > > I should do an analysis of what "Feature-wise, Toybox has not reached > parity > with Busybox" actually _means_ someday. (Mostly that I need to promote > toysh and > init? But I need to clear toys/pending and do a 1.0 release before I get > to mock > them for that.) > > The "history" section was probably not initially written by a native > english > speaker? (ala "suggested to create" = suggested creating) "Rob Landley > followed > the request and suggested instead to base this library on the dormant > Toybox." > is subtly wrong in like 3 ways (the most obvious being it's not a > library?) Tim > contacted me looking to hire a consultant to work on a project he was > trying to > scrape up funding to create. He didn't request that I work on it for free, > it > was a "Can I hire you to do this?" call and I went "Dude, I only stopped > doing > that as a hobby because I ran out of viable goals to work towards. I have > years > of code lying around I could trivially relicense if there's a USE for it, > and if > you're saying there's demand and a userbase waiting for the result I'd be > happy > to give it another go..." The "in android" part was previously too > audacious to > seriously consider, but knowing that major phone _vendors_ wanted this to > happen > meant I could maybe do an end-run around Google if they continued to be a > hermetically sealed ecosystem with no way to submit bug reports to gmail > and so > on from outside the Googleplex. > > (Yes, people offering me money for stuff and me either solving their > problem on > the phone or winding up doing it for free so I can publish the result is a > chronic problem with me.) > > But how do you explain all that to wikipedia? Maybe it could say something > more > like "Rob Landley agreed with this goal but pursued it resuming work on > toybox, > starting by relicensing his existing code from GPL to BSD." (I mean I > literally > blogged about it at the time: > https://landley.net/notes-2011.html#13-11-2011 ) > > (Oh, and the busybox page has a _strangely_ worded toybox section, > "re-licensed > under the BSD License after the project went dormant"? Kind of awkward > backwards > phrasing, the relicensing was the first step in RESUMING work on it. But > then > elsewhere on that same page it says "the sharp zaurus uses" and that > product was > discontinued 13 years ago, so...) > > Rob > > P.S. Sometimes my english minor from college bobs to the surface. Their > supposed > documentation is BADLY WORDED. https://xkcd.com/386/ > _______________________________________________ > Toybox mailing list > Toybox@lists.landley.net > http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net >
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