Hi Jeroen, Wow, it makes me a bit sad that you're taking things that way. Please don't - I'm really open to the discussion and don't want to enforce "my" way. I just had the impression that we left the discussion on #IRC with no real conclusion, so that's why I wanted to raise the topic again on trac-dev. It's nothing /that/ serious, I'd be OK with how things are now, but I really thought there would be no problem in discussing and trying out alternatives. We're only at the beginning, so experimenting should be OK - you had your time for experimenting in the sandbox and I didn't join the fun by then, but now that i18n is in trunk (and the more urgent stuff for 0.11 is behind me) I felt inclined to join the work on i18n, experiment and try to improve things there as well.
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > -On [20080513 07:29], Christian Boos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Well, IIRC, only asmodai and you shared the opinion that those >> changesets weren't a problem, others were inclined to think more like >> me. >> > > And thus automatically your idea wins? Because that's what it now looks > like, especially after revising TracL10N to present your workflow. > Not a big deal really: 0.12/TracInstall presents the minimal things an user has to do in order to get the translations and TracL10N is aimed at translators and developers with much more detailed instructions. We can still tweak what the developers are supposed to do and what the translators are supposed to do, that's in flux (and therefore, ok, we could update the page to mention that explicitly). IMO, all the documentation I added there is useful, if not for the translators, at least for other developers who'd like to build the translations. > >> So I don't see the problem in presenting my arguments again, in a more >> structured way, on a discussion list were the topic can reach a wider >> audience (translators and other Trac contributors). >> > > After you stumbling onto IRC to throw a 'noise' argument into my face, > arguing it on all fronts and now committing and changing things to already > reflect your point of view I call bullshit that you now want to 'present it > again in a more structured way'. Look again at those changesets - I didn't remove trac/locale/messages.pot. Sorry for having touched to the i18n part, but hey, that's what you get when moving to trunk, it means everyone is invited to contribute (please note that I presented the actual changes on Trac-dev before going on). So what I did was to enhance the translation infrastructure, illustrating some of the changes with french translations and yes, not doing this systematic update for all the catalogs, which I think was not necessary. > You have an idea in your head and you just > want to enforce it even after I said I would look into it. > I concede I also wanted to more directly illustrate what I was talking about. Compare: - http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7053 - http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7054 with: - http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7006 - http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7007 While both 7053 and 7006-7007 are changeset containing automatically generated changes, my point was that r7053 is somehow unavoidable in order to present the real change (r7054) in a clearer way, but that r7006 and r7007 were entirely avoidable. > Have fun, good luck and best of wishes coordinating all the translations. I > can spend my time on more constructive things. > Please accept my apologies, as you have obviously taken my remarks/changes in a bad way. That was really not the intent - I spent the whole day yesterday improving the translation infrastructure, fixing bugs (some were really critical, I hope you noticed), adding french translations (even if not perfect, for sure), etc. all this while my primary interest is /not/ in the translations, just because it's now in trunk and that I somehow feel co-responsible for it now. Some day I should really stop being the all purpose guy for tackling every outstanding issue, if all that I get back is such kind of acrimonious reaction when I dare moving things forward. See? It's easy to get pissed off in such a project when you put a lot of time and energy into it, and for the better or the worse, no one does it alone (quoique...), so please get over your first reaction. So I'd really appreciate if you could get back to my previous mail (of yesterday) and answer to the open points I raised there, comment and criticize what I presented (e.g. that tag_ stuff is probably not perfect, feel free to beat it up). -- Christian --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Trac Development" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-dev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
