> I would rather see the API fixes in Trac core than the original patch.
> Subcomponents really are a feature I would rather see in a plugin,  
> because
> the vast majority of people don't need or want them.

I find it very very hard to believe that the vast majority don't need  
subcomponents. And if some don't want them, they won't see them anyway. If  
you don't add a subcomponent in the admin window, they don't have to be  
showed elsewhere neither. Non-intrusive = all good. It's there for those  
who need it, and not in the way for those who don't. When you need it and  
it's not there and you have to hunt down a plugin from track-hacks,  
install it and worry about maintenance, it get's in the way.

> Apparently you didn't read what I said. We specifically avoid this  
> model. It
> leads to poor design and even worse implementations.

Yes I did read and understand you, I'm just arguing that you're wrong ;-).  
So does a lot of brilliant developers (have you read that book btw?)

Also, you say you avoid this model. Tracs homepage states otherwise. Do  
all core maintainers agree on this? In that case, changing the homepage is  
in order. If not, I think this is the time to voice your opinion.

>> There is a reason why so many "other FOSS projects" work this way. It
>> is
>> more efficient. It is the Bazaar way.
>
> It also leads to giant, messy piles of garbage. It shows when something  
> has
> been built with a single, coherent vision, and I think this is a large  
> part
> of why people like Trac in the first place.

I would not call the linux kernel, git and firefox for giant messy piles  
of garbages. But I have a feeling we disagree on many things.

I liked Trac because your homepage said you followed the Bazaar  
methodology. Most users judge by features, stability and release cycles.

- Endre

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