On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 12:16:37PM -0700, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
> Again, you are talking about large-scale redesigns of all of Trac, not just

I have stated this unambigiously from my first post onward. If you don't
like the posts feel free to score the thread or me down in your end.

> the DB schema. This is neither here nor there, and unlikely to be something
> that "Trac-proper" will consider without some pretty major justification. If

>From my point of view, most of the ticket history on t.e.o is a testament
that this is important to consider, if we want the product to flourish
long term. Most of the pages on the wiki that outline the future of Trac 
touch on very fundamental issues related to the modelling approach. 
Understand that I am not attacking anyone, I am actually trying to provide 
some insight into *why* I think there already *is* major justification to
change (is that hard to see?)

> this is your goal, I would recommend forking (somewhat easier with the git
> and hg mirrors running now) and start work on your changes. When you have

This is my goal, and I have already proposed a research codebase and offered
my time. The question I'm trying to find an answer to, is whether Trac is
a place I can contribute in a meaningful way. Now I know for sure you are
not going to help out directly on a remodelling effort, but I'm still 
hoping to gather support elsewhere on the list. You're probably right in 
that it's not going to work, but that's not stopping me from having a go 
at it. If you don't like it, score me down. If "Trac-proper" does not like 
it, I will shut up permanently.

> something finished, come back and show us. This sounds like it is more a
> design philosophy mismatch though, which while important, doesn't
> necessarily mean Trac should change. If it turns out that you come up with
> something better, then so be it. FOSS is a meritocracy, and better software
> generally wins on its own merits.

Indeed, it does not have to mean Trac should change. But what if it should?

All I'm trying to do is shed light on that issue, 

Maybe in the wrong way.

Terje

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