On 10-10-11 12:01, Martyn Russell wrote:
> On 09/10/11 23:33, Age Bosma wrote:
>>
>> Why would one want this? Often more info than can be extracted from
>> files is appreciated. It will prevent applications from having to
>> reinvent the wheel, deviating from Tracker as their meta-data source
>> because it does not have the information.
>> E.g. Rygel could start listing movies on a TV with the actual movie
>> title instead of using file names or list them by director even though
>> no tags where present. Banshee (if/when they start using Tracker) does
>> not have to maintain their own MusicBrainz query service because Tracker
>> already provides the information.
> 
> There are a number of issues here. What springs to mind is:
> 
>  - Do we write back the data to the file itself (I would like to see
> that, but support there is limited right now by file type)?
> 

Personally I don't think we should go there:
- Tracker is the metadata resource apps will use, no need to include it
in the files again.
- Apps, including Tracker, should not touch original files, unless
specifically requested to do so. It would introduce unexpected/unwanted
behaviour otherwise.
- And there's of course the difficulty of actually being able to store
the info in a specific container, as Jens Georg pointed out.

>  - Guessing metadata based on filename, etc is currently build time
> optional. Part of me wonders if this should be in the
> tracker-preferences dialog somewhere so users can configure this more
> dynamically. Part of me thinks it's not useful though. Perhaps a silent
> configuration not in the UI is more preferred.
> 

It is? How can I enable it and where is it located in the source?

> 
>> Does tracker allow extending functionality as described above?
> 
> Yes and no. You could write a miner as suggested, but I feel this is not
> the right approach. While the name "miner" makes sense, what we're doing
> here is more "post-processing" and we've considered having some daemon
> to go around cleaning up classes and information which can be derived
> from content inserted by miner-fs or applications. A couple of examples
> here are:
> 

Has an attempt been made as well after the consideration? Is there an
alternative currently available?

>  - You insert a contact for an email, you delete the email, the contact
> then stay around. Really shouldn't the contact be removed? It does
> depend on who uses it (the graph) but if it is just there for the email,
> it should be removed ideally. If some gnome-contacts or other
> application makes use of it using their graph to insert the data, we
> wouldn't clean it up.
> 

What is happening now?

> 
> I guess you could write a miner to do this. It would listen to graph
> update signals to know when to find out about new music/videos and
> update the store.
> 
> You could also write this into tracker-extract/libtracker-extract and
> have some common functions to get this information. 

Both a miner and extractor are not quite meant for post-processing as
you've mentioned.

What advantage or disadvantage does an extractor have over a miner?
Are there more reasons why a minor would not be the right approach
besides its name?

Yours,

Age (Forage)

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