Thanks for the info. I think he sent an application to charlotte yesterday. He's lookin at network admin an he's interested in Linux.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [TriLUG] OT schools > I'll agree with this, for the most part. If you want a job in this field, > then getting a 4 year degree is invaluable. Getting one in the > IT/CS/CIS/MIS/CompEng field is great, but no matter what degree you get, > you'll probably start out on the bottom end of the job market quickly. This > business rewards competent folks still, in my experience. The incompetents > are either good enough BS artists to get by, or else they get replaced > fairly quickly. The competent folks on the lower end are more likely to > move up, especially if they learn and do individual career development > outside of work (eg, buying an old Sparc and learning Solaris, an old HP and > learning HPUX, setting up a decent home network, learning software, etc). > It's not as easy a road as it was 4-5 years ago, but it can be done. I > recommend that 4 year degree, but where he gets it from is less important > that finding a way to get an 'in' on a job afterwards. Internships can be > invaluable. IBM picks up alot of grads from various schools and throws them > into the software grinder to see who comes out whole on the other side. > > As for local schools, from what I hear, Duke's CS program isn't spectacular, > as that is primarily a LibArts school and focuses little money or attention > on CS/MIS. CS at UNC is highly theoretical and focuses to a great degree on > graphics and graphical rendering technologies (again, that's hearsay from > some folks who have done some undergrad work there in CS), and at NCSU, the > CompEng degree is more intense, but also more valuable later on than CS. > > CS in most schools traditionally has been all about programming. Potential > sysadmins and network engineers should probably stay on the compeng side, or > go for a CIS/MIS degree. Network engineering hopefuls might also benefit > from a standard electrical engineering degree, as sometimes that discipline > can be critical to truly understanding how an particular networking > protocol/transmission medium works, and how it must be managed. Of course, > that's also most valuable if he/she wants to work for cisco and design and > build routers and switches. > > Basically, the earlier this kid decides what he wants to do 'after' school, > the quicker he'll be able to decide what he should be doing 'in' school. As > for myself, I got a degree in Public Policy (like poly sci, just less theory > and more analysis and practical study), and wound up being a sysadmin > because I fell into a tech support job for a national ISP. I developed my > career from there. Of course, I've had 4 different jobs in 5 years, but > I've more than doubled my salary since then, and gotten better benefits, > tons of training, and chances to work on more and better software and > hardware each time. Only one job ended involuntarily, and that only because > my job at the company was being eliminated altogether. > > That's my thought on this. YMMV. > > Regards, > Ben Pitzer > > --------------------------------------------- > > "Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > --Ben Franklin-- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > > Of Jim Ray > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 6:37 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [TriLUG] OT schools > > > > > > There is absolutely *no* replacement for the school of hard knocks. If > > you really want to succeed in the IT profession, get the software and > > load it up. Over and over again. > > > > I'll take practical experience over book knowledge any day. > > > > Now, there's a lot to be said about that 4 year degree as far as > > employment goes... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jason Tower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:10 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [TriLUG] OT schools > > > > > > many of the IT people i know are recent graduates of the school of > > hard > > > knocks. > > > > > > jason > > > > > > On Sunday 23 March 2003 19:38, Merle Watts wrote: > > > > Any body know which schools in North Carolina are good for IT. My > > kid > > > is > > > > in UNC Pembroke taking computer science, but they don't have the > > classes > > > he > > > > wants. He's interested in Network Administration and also > > Unix/Linux. > > > > > > > > Looking into transfering and he doesn't want the most expensive > > schools. > > > > Just good ones. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TriLUG mailing list > > > > http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug > > > > TriLUG Organizational FAQ: > > > > http://www.trilug.org/~lovelace/faq/TriLUG-faq.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TriLUG mailing list > > > http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug > > > TriLUG Organizational FAQ: > > > http://www.trilug.org/~lovelace/faq/TriLUG-faq.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriLUG mailing list > > http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug > > TriLUG Organizational FAQ: > > http://www.trilug.org/~lovelace/faq/TriLUG-faq.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriLUG mailing list > http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug > TriLUG Organizational FAQ: > http://www.trilug.org/~lovelace/faq/TriLUG-faq.html _______________________________________________ TriLUG mailing list http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ: http://www.trilug.org/~lovelace/faq/TriLUG-faq.html
