i will also add that parabola make no modifications to the upstream bleachbit other than forcing python2 - presumably that is true for the other FSDG distros as well - so if this is indeed something to be addressed by patches then it is not only pertinent to trisquel and this conversation should be escalated to the gnu-linux-libre mailing list so that the other distros can join the discussion
below i will repost the previous messages for their benefit ----------------------------------------------------------- On 12/25/2017 07:59 PM, Pablo Correa Gómez wrote: > Dear FSF's licensing team. > > I am Pablo, and I have recently started helping in the > development of Trisquel. I am writing you because in the last > developers meeting there was a discussion about how patch the program > "Bleachbit" to remove the advocacy of non-free Software, but there > wasn't a clear agreement on how to do it based on FSDG. > > Basically, Bleachbit is a program able to remove temporary > files from different other programs. Unfortunately, it mentions and > supports some non-free programs that are not supported by Trisquel, but > that could be installed from source or from Ubuntu repositories. It can > also run in Windows. > > We have patched the program in a way that a regular user will > not be suggested non-free software while running Bleachbit, as all > references have been removed. In addition, the functionality of > Bleachbit with non-free programs that could be installed in Trisquel > has also been removed. For example, Chromium functionality has been > removed, so if someone installs it, grabbing it from Ubuntu's > repositories, Bleachbit will not be able to clean its temporary files. > > However, if some more advanced user downloads the source code > of Bleachbit found in Trisquel's repositories, it will be able to find > Windows' related files and references to non-free programs inside those > files, as well metadata of non-free programs that can only be installed > under Windows. > > The question raised in the meeting was if we should also remove > non-free references inside Windows' related files, making the patch > bigger and then increasing the maintenance overhead, or just to keep > them as they are, which means that regular users will have a program > that behaves according to FSDG. > > I hope I have made clear myself, and I'm sorry if my English is > not good enough. Please ask for any clarifications about the issue if > you believe it hasn't been properly explained. > Please, CC your answer to trisquel-devel@listas.trisquel.info, > so everyone involved in the development can have a first hand answer to > the issue. > > Best regards, > Pablo. > _______________________________________________ > Trisquel-devel mailing list > Trisquel-devel@listas.trisquel.info > https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/trisquel-devel > ----------------------------------------------------------- On 12/26/2017 01:43 PM, bill-auger wrote: > i will add again what i said at that meeting - i think it is safe to > assume that the FSDG has no suggestions against the deletion of files > created by non-free programs - the the FSDG's intention is merely not to > suggest using non-free programs in the first place - but if these files > are already present i dont see any reason why bleachbit should be > prevented from deleting them - surely that is preferable to leaving them > on the *nix filesystem if present - my suggestion to change the labels > in the GUI to not mention the brand names of the programs that created them > > even the windows .DS_Store files are already labeled simply that: > '.DS_Store' with no mention of 'Windows' - surely that is not condoning > or even suggesting the use of Windows by noting it will delete any files > named *.DS_Store - it is really only suggesting that any such files are > unwanted - removing the cleaners for non-free programs entirely greatly > reduces the usefulness of the bleachbit program - 'Chromium' and 'Google > Chrome' for example, if you have ever used bleachbit, are among the > largest set of files to be deleted - it is the very purpose of that > program to delete files you do not want in order to free up disk space > and deleting the caches of those two program along with firefox are by > far the ones that will free up the most disk space if used regularly > > perhaps you could just change the labels where they read 'Chromium' and > 'Google Chrome' to 'Non-Free Browser' so that bleachbit would still be > allowed to delete their files without mentioning them by name - if i am > not mistaken i think that bleachbit will only show programs that it has > actually detected traces of so this would have the added effect of > pointing out clearly to the user that the use of non-free programs has > been detected on the system > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trisquel-devel mailing list > Trisquel-devel@listas.trisquel.info > https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/trisquel-devel >
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