************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ I AM DOING LEVEL V 1B I GOT MANNY WHINS TROM REALY WHORKS I FEEL FREE FROM COMPULSIVE PLAYNG AND I START TO AUDIT CCH AND DIANETICS AS ENTRY POIT TO PRESENT TROM. I AM VERY HAPY AN ON WHINS I SHARE MY WHINS SO MOTIVATE OTHERS
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Definition of Importance (Leo Faulhaber) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Pete McLaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [TROM1] Saving the planet > To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Message-ID: <198586.73634...@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > HI Colleen > ?You asked if people on level 5 feel some desire to save others. > I agree with your observations that others are unwilling to let go > of their compulsive games playing.? My observations of my own and > others compulsive games play is that no one wants to let go of their > compulsive games play.? In addition i find that there is an balance > in games play where for every compulsive victim in games there are > compulsive malefactors to take the opposing role in their game. > Victims seek malefactors and malefactors seek victims.? They each > need the other to satisfy their compulsion to play their separate > roles in their games. > My personal feeling at this time is that "saving the planet" is not > a game i would like to pursue.? The people on this planet are > playing their current games as the solution to the last games they > lost and will resent anyone taking away the game they are playing. > > As a general rule if you take away the current game people are > playing at the will adopt a new game of getting you. > If you wish to help others remember the first rule for superheros > is: Do not try to save others from their folly until they are aware > they are in trouble. > > The exception to the above is that i talk to my wife and children > about the games they are playing and even poke fun at them when they > try to get me to take a role in one of their games.? However, I > grant them the beingness that they do not have to stop playing the > game just because I say so, and I take no offense when they mock my > words or point out my own compulsive games play(that's hard to do at > times). > > The most i am willing to do for the planet is to make the TROM > materials available, be a good example to others and use my > knowledge to help my wife deal with her games play. > This seems to be working. > > Keep on TROMing > > Pete > > --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> > Subject: [TROM1] RE Level 5 Completions > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 9:49 PM > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by? trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > Hello Andre, > > I expect Pete and Slim to complete.? If anyone else has completed > they are not here to answer you? :-) > > The good news is that three new people started late last year and > are continuing.? No, make that four new people? :-)? All four of us > are hovering around Level 3, and one of us may be doing some Level > 4, and he also has the greatest understanding of the Postulate > Failure chart.? He also delivers very very thorough CCHs, not the > way the Church of Scn. does it. > > > Timebreaking really works when I do it correctly and consistently.? > Then I seem to get falsely lulled into a sense of peace and > tranquility and stop doing any processing, etc., happy to engage > with the environment.? Then someone says "boo" to me the wrong way > and I have to force myself to open the TROM manual and sit down and > have some formal sessions, making new resolves to not let myself get > blind-sided like that again. > > > The good news is that there are some moments when I can put myself > into a state of total calm, as Dennis says happened with him.? > > Also, I started to notice flickers of an exterior to the body > viewpoint.? For example, I can sometimes visualize running the body > by placing my viewpoint at the back of the body.? This only works so > far with gross motor functions, such as digging, raking, hauling, > etc..? > > > But I am also still getting through the second run of the CCHs, and > am on CCH4, which is the one I find the most difficult (book and > hand mimicry). > > Last night I picked up a book on simple carpentry and I discovered > that unlike other times I decided it was okay to learn the basics, > to mimic what others are doing.? It wouldn't "kill" me after all? :-) > > > The question I would like to respectfully ask those on Level 5 is:? > do you share the same concern Dennis seemed to have about clearing > the planet, and, if so, do you share his confidence that it can be > done with TROM theory and processes as they are now presented? > > > The reason I put out this query is that personally, the more aware I > become of games conditions the more it strikes me that there is > almost no one I know who wants to give up their compulsive games, or > even is aware of what they are doing, even scientologists who post > on groups in the Freezone.? Even myself, but somehow I "KNOW" that > the postulate failure cycle is currently exactly what I need to > learn to process and get through to the end, but that knowing did > not come facilely. > > > colleen > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20110516/5da21e88/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 02:39:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: peter schanz <phavethemiss...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [TROM1] (no subject) > To: trom@lists.newciv.org, saxappea...@yahoo.com, dubsou...@gmail.com, > hrhhr...@aol.com, ursulaha...@live.com, ursulaha...@adelphia.net, > waynen...@hotmail.com > Message-ID: <945393.31111...@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.archiviosalute.it/wp-content/themes/classic/life.html > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20110517/5abb4b7e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:24:29 +0200 > From: Leo Faulhaber <leo.faulha...@gmail.com> > Subject: [TROM1] Definition of Importance > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Message-ID: <banlktin8gkgol5coukim4obcp16qiop...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello everyone > > I seem to have some difficulty with Dennis' definition of importance which > is "Enforcement of knowingness". For me importance is also "Hindrance of > knowigness" or "Enforcement of not-knowingness". > > So I made up the following definition of importance for myself which is "a > more or less strong conviction that someone or something should be or not be > something, do or not do something, have or not have something, know or not > know something, experience or not experience something". > > What do you think about this? > > Best wishes > > Leo Faulhaber > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20110517/b542c360/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 82, Issue 8 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
