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--Hi David,-- Thank you so much, Carlos. I appreciate hearing and learning about Ayahuasca from someone who has done both Ayahuasca and auditing. --It's my pleasure-- I imagine that it is quite possible that by my inquiry about Ayahuasca, I have begun the end of auditing ( probably not Scientology as it has much more than auditing to offer) and the beginning of increasing popularity of Ayahuasca and more business for the people who produce it. :) : ) But I want to make one comment on what you stated as the reason why big pharma has classified Ayahuasca as a drug. Your words: The pharmaceutical industry, which is fully aware of the superior healing properties of Ayahuasca ( How do you know they are fully aware of the healing properties of Ayahuasca?) -- Before I took Ayahuasca I researched a lot of documented studies for a period of 2 months. If you go to Google and type "Ayahuasca research studies" you will find more than enough. After several people reported being cured for several mental discomforts, drug addictions and diseases like cancer, a few key figures in the pharmaceutical industry, decided to send several doctors and psychiatrists to South America to research the effects of Ayahuasca to find out if these "outrages" claims were indeed true. When these doctors and psychiatrists confirmed these "outrages" claims to be true, they decided to conspire with several federal agencies to make Ayahuasca illegal. These stories became known after some of these doctors and psychiatrists stepped forward and told what happened. I have these documents some were on my hard disc, but you can also find it on the net.-- has managed to categorize Ayahuasca as a "drug", in their attempt to prevent it from becoming known. I doubt if they see it that way. It is possible, but I think it is more that, that is the data they are operating on. That is what they have been taught in school. ( But I may be wrong.) Then to add to that, most people form opinions on things they are not qualified to comment on. Such activity is a systemic social aberration. To comment on or form opinions on something that a person has no experience in or useful knowledge of ( therefore not qualified to comment on ) is a form of intellectual dishonesty. A person should never say anything they cannot prove. In alignment with what Hubbard said that the truth is not determined by authority, the truth is also not determined by argument, ( or who wins an argument ) or opinions or beliefs or majority vote or any other arbitrary. The truth ( the value of a datum) is determined by the number of problems a datum solves and how well it solves them. In other words any idea ( or datum) is only as good as it works. And nothing is true unless it can be proven to be true. Now I would like to hear from about a half a dozen other independent, impartial and properly qualified people who have taken Ayahuasca and also did a sufficient amount of Scientology and auditing to hear their viewpoints and experience. This would or should adequately confirm your findings or viewpoint, Carlos. I also get the idea that a person really has had to have come to the end of their rope in life and exhausted all the evil in them, to be ready for the benefits of Ayahuasca. Or do you honestly think that a person who has not come to the end of their rope and not exhausted all the evil in them would get the best benefits from Ayahuasca? --Anyone that takes the right precautions will benefit from Ayahuasca. A good source for experiences and other data is http://www.erowid.org/plants/banisteriopsis/banisteriopsis.shtml -- In any event Ayahuasca is not so much of a best kept secret any more. I for one would like to learn more about what Ayahuasca is from you and more about your "experience" with Ayahuasca. >From what I read, there are almost as many different concoctions or recipes >for the concoction as there are people making it. I also understand that Ayahuasca is pretty raunchy tasting. Your viewpoints, knowledge and experience would be much appreciated. --The best way is to experience it for yourself, than you will know, based on your own experience, what it is and what it is not.-- Thanks again, David --greetings, Carlos-- ************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ David wrote: Has anyone here ever taken Ayahuasca? -Yes Has anyone here ever processed someone who has done Ayahuasca? -Yes I want to know what the experience of taking Ayahuasca is a from a Scientology ( or TROM) point of view? -Ayahuasca is a multidimensional cleansing and clearing program that represents itself as a female consciousness. It shows you that which you don't want to see. It makes you feel that which don't want to feel. It let's you know that which you don't want to know and it does this repeatedly until it is fully as-ised by you. When you go into (a Scientology) session you use your current viewpoint to look at things and as-is that which comes into view. When you use Ayahuasca your viewpoint will be (temporarily) removed and you will experience and be all-that-is. Once you are fully aware that you are anything and everything, you will know that you are that which has been defined as "god" and actually experience what it means to be "god". Does it have any bona fide clearing or emotional purging effects -Ayahuasca is the most powerfull clearing and healing method I have ever experienced. Once it gets into your body it immediately starts scanning you for any and all unwanted conditions and barriers. Anything that does not belong into your body and in you will be removed. Does it do harm to the body or and mind, like weed or other popular drugs? - No, Ayahuasca does not harm the body or mind and it is not a drug. It's one of the best kept secrets in the clearing field. The pharmaceutical industry, which is fully aware of the superior healing properties of Ayahuasca has managed to categorize Ayahuasca as a "drug", in their attempt to prevent it from becoming known. Does a person who has taken it respond well to auditing? -Yes, but If you manage to control the dosage you take and really understand how Ayahuasca works, you will never need anymore auditing. Does a person who has done Ayahuasca need auditing after taking it? - No, Ayahuasca removes charge bit by bit until there's no charge left. In other words does it do what auditing does? -Yes, and it does much, much more than any auditing. Does a person who has taken it need to do a purif? -No. Ayahuasca is the highest form of purification. It reprograms your physical and spiritual DNA. Any information would be helpful. - You're welcome. Carlos If you do not know what Ayahuasca is then you cannot help me, but can learn something here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca Video: http://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/8339/Stepping-into-the-Fire http://www.biopark.org/ayahuasca.html http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/faq/ David _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom David wrote: Has anyone here ever taken Ayahuasca? -Yes Has anyone here ever processed someone who has done Ayahuasca? -Yes I want to know what the experience of taking Ayahuasca is a from a Scientology ( or TROM) point of view? -Ayahuasca is a multidimensional cleansing and clearing program that represents itself as a female consciousness. It shows you that which you don't want to see. It makes you feel that which don't want to feel. It let's you know that which you don't want to know and it does this repeatedly until it is fully as-ised by you. When you go into (a Scientology) session you use your current viewpoint to look at things and as-is that which comes into view. When you use Ayahuasca your viewpoint will be (temporarily) removed and you will experience and be all-that-is. Once you are fully aware that you are anything and everything, you will know that you are that which has been defined as "god" and actually experience what it means to be "god". Does it have any bona fide clearing or emotional purging effects -Ayahuasca is the most powerfull clearing and healing method I have ever experienced. Once it gets into your body it immediately starts scanning you for any and all unwanted conditions and barriers. Anything that does not belong into your body and in you will be removed. Does it do harm to the body or and mind, like weed or other popular drugs? - No, Ayahuasca does not harm the body or mind and it is not a drug. It's one of the best kept secrets in the clearing field. The pharmaceutical industry, which is fully aware of the superior healing properties of Ayahuasca has managed to categorize Ayahuasca as a "drug", in their attempt to prevent it from becoming known. Does a person who has taken it respond well to auditing? -Yes, but If you manage to control the dosage you take and really understand how Ayahuasca works, you will never need anymore auditing. Does a person who has done Ayahuasca need auditing after taking it? - No, Ayahuasca removes charge bit by bit until there's no charge left. In other words does it do what auditing does? -Yes, and it does much, much more than any auditing. Does a person who has taken it need to do a purif? -No. Ayahuasca is the highest form of purification. It reprograms your physical and spiritual DNA. Any information would be helpful. - You're welcome. Carlos If you do not know what Ayahuasca is then you cannot help me, but can learn something here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca Video: http://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/8339/Stepping-into-the-Fire http://www.biopark.org/ayahuasca.html http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/faq/ David _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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