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On 2/20/12, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: tidbits from DEEP Processing (defaul...@gmx.ch) > 2. Adjuncts and Bridges to TROM (Colleen Peltomaa) > 3. Homer W. Smith's Adjunct to TROM (Colleen Peltomaa) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:28:24 +0100 > From: <defaul...@gmx.ch> > To: "'Pete McLaughlin'" <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com>, "'The > Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] tidbits from DEEP Processing > Message-ID: <002701ccefb2$06b3de10$141b9a30$@gmx.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Pete > > > > Thanks for sharing. Although, from my viewpoint, a word of warning. > > > > Quote from the mentioned article #7: > > The most obvious starting point is to take a list of individuals > that are perceived as troublesome or hostile to the person. > > End of quote. > > > > In one of the tapes (I don't remember which one) Dennis states, that the > > one question you must not ask the PC, is "who or what is opposing you". > > He says, this is the question, that is going to kill the PC. It was the > trap > > > Ron Hubbard fell into, because (still quoiting Dennis) the opposer is a > logical > > construct and is not found in the bank of the PC. > > > > Kill the PC a bit of an exaggeration? I did Irene Mumford's "Dianasis" some > > > 10 years ago. (Mrs. Mumford had thought, Hubbard should not have let go > > GPM processing and she devised her own tech). Dianasis was based on the > > question "who or what is opposing..." I ran it for hundreds of hours. My > life > > failed, my case continuously worsened, my body reacted so violently, that > > I got hurt in session (contusion in the jaw joint - if I translate it > correctly - > > not completely healed till today). I recover slowly with TROM now. > > > > In my understanding: > > "The most obvious starting point is to take a list of individuals > that are perceived as troublesome or hostile to the person" > > clearly is the "who or what is opposing you"-question. > > > > In all TROM data I read and listened to, I didn't find anything that > contradicts > > logic or my own experiences or observations. I couldn't say that of any > > other therapy or method that I tried or read about. > > > > thanks and all the best > > Roberto > > > > > > > > Von: Pete McLaughlin [mailto:pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Februar 2012 02:41 > An: TROM > Betreff: [TROM1] tidbits from DEEP Processing > > > > here is a piece of article #7 at the DEEP site. > > Very interesting > > Pete > > > > > > There are different entrances into DEEP Character Clearing. Each way of > entering can be organized into a rundown. At this time, one uses the > approach that is most appropriate to what the person offers as the main > issue. The most obvious starting point is to take a list of individuals > that > are perceived as troublesome or hostile to the person. These are in some > way > in opposition to the person (or perceived to be) and thus make good > processing material as counter-poles. When doing that, the "other side" of > the polarity is often perceived as self in a special capacity or situation. > > In addressing this, we address two main stumbling blocks to case progress: > > 1) We handle any ongoing conflicts with the upsets, problems and guarded > secrets involved (out rudiments.) > > 2) We handle any ongoing suppression on the case, also known as PTSness, at > its root cause. > > The main difference between running this action and other actions of DEEP > Character Clearing is in how you go about getting into the technique. > Therefore there will be some unique steps, mainly at the beginning of an > action, for the different rundowns. > > What is taken up as the first action is individuals in the person's present > time the person has difficulties with, meaning lots of problems, conflicts, > upsets, personality clashes, etc. > > This can be expanded to troublesome individuals the person has encountered > earlier in life. > Also, scanning the person's history for old conflicts and major upsets will > reveal much material. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20120220/e3184895/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:06:50 -0500 > From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Adjuncts and Bridges to TROM > Message-ID: > <CAF4m2-0kG7koQknYwLrs_wC-P=q197sfxsprcyt9ufmadyw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I do not have the credentials of others on this board and I hardly can > believe my good fortune that someone like myself would find TROM and be > able, or at least want to be able, to duplicate, but somehow I knew on some > level that Level 5 was the cat's meiouw. > > Timebreaking is a bit like Ron's date/locating in that it helps one put the > scene back to where it is, and no longer here where it does not belong. > > [Imagine one of us in our higher game states decided that "then equals > now".] > > Timebreaking is also NOT a contrivance, but a native ability, and those are > always good to recover, as I discovered for myself. > > I personally have not yet quieted my mind to my satisfaction that I feel I > can run Level 5 of TROM. > > However, the greatest leaps and gains I've made in my case first came from > learning to Timebreak and run RI. > > However, the even greater case gain I have recently been making is > re-learning another native ability -- to "let go" or "release" without any > Q&A (questions and answers, or trying to figure things out, etc.). > > Where did I learn this? From a fella now deceased, Lester Levenson, > founder of The Sedona Method. I am wading through a home-study course > right now. > > Lester approached his case typically by removing the sensation between the > goal sets, and apparently he worked at it enough to empty the goal sets of > all sensation, if not collapsing the opposing goals. > > He validates TROM because his discoveries were independent but similar to > Dennis' discoveries. > > For example, Lester, after running out some junior packages, ran into what > he called "one-ness" and "separate-ness". Is this not the "To Know"? > > For myself, due to the noisiness of my mind, even after doing a full > battery of CCHs, Timebreaking and RI were still a trudge, but no > complaints, because I knew I was going to get past that and get onto Level > 4. > > However, my mind is quieting down much faster now that I also have regained > the ability to simply "let go". I don't even attempt to put the scene out > of the present and back into the past as with Timebreaking. > > Some days I am laughing for no reason at all, and I speak a lot less too, > which is a good indicator for me. > > Analytically, I see that the releasing skill, with all of its supporting > coaches and teachers and forums, is a great adjunct or bridge into Dennis' > work. I think Dennis would agree, if I can stick my neck out a bit here. > > My mind, as an unruly child, either expresses or suppresses or escapes, and > now I'm more on top of it and curtail those grooved in strategies with > consciously "releasing". It is becoming what I call a "kitchen sink" > activity. > > Sedona Method and TROM are the only two simple methods I am aware of that > process one towards the stated goal of "one-ness", or total resolution of > mind. I've had a couple of experiential understanding of what that is for > myself from running Sedona Method with the help of a coach. > > This is a milestone for me because before I could only intellectually > understand, and now I have experienced a taste of it for myself. I imagine > running Level 5 will give me further glimpses. > > In fact, I fully intend to polish off any gains I make using Sedona Method > with Dennis' discovery. > > Releasing and Timebreaking -- two awesome tools for a being who is > resolving his mind. > > Oh, one other discovery -- when in the releasing mode one does not need to > do RI because one is continuously in a state of releasing whatever comes > up, as it comes up, and, as I said, it is a kitchen sink kind of activity > -- can be done almost anywhere, anytime once one gets themselves trained > in. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20120220/bccb1689/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:16:26 -0500 > From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Homer W. Smith's Adjunct to TROM > Message-ID: > <CAF4m2-3EMsYC=njoleq23rptzrpmsfbzfmw7l4rklbopq0d...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > link: > http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?3170-Adjunct-to-TROM-thread > > Homer's writeup is a communication bridge for scientologists to better > grasp the gains that can be had with TROM. > > A quote: > "Part of the secret of TROM is that every postulate made by a being > contains really TWO postulates, the Self Determined postulate, which is > what the being wants for himself concerning others, and the Pan > Determined postulates, which is what the being wants others to want > concerning him." > > Let me know if you find this helpful or enhancing, thank you. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20120220/eade5885/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 91, Issue 20 > ************************************ > -- Mr KS Thabana Head Master: SASA Combined Independent School Chairperson: Stanley Abbas Sam Andrew cc CEO: Koto Educational Software cc _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
