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I'm afraid being exterior to one's body and percieving this universe from an exterior viewpoint, being able to see through objects violates the rules of this game. For example every wall has a "to not be seen (through)" postulate in it. It is part of the game. If you go outside and want to see through a wall, then your "to see" postulate goes against the big game's "to not be seen" postulate. The latter one must be the stronger postulate because you must have accepted the rules of the game before entering it. It can't be a coincidence that Dennis used to have exterior experiences with full vision then he stopped to have this ability. He didnt have it later in his life. How do I know that? He himself says on tha tapes he cant see well, he has a problem with the body's eyes.If he had had the ability to go exterior and see perfectly from outside, why didnt he use it? The answer is simple: he didnt have that ability because it violates the rules of this game. This is my opinion only, of course. No proof, only logical assumption. leonardo trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org írta: >Send Trom mailing list submissions to >trom@lists.newciv.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at >trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Creating by Miracles (Pete McLaughlin) > 2. New Transcript Available (Pete McLaughlin) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:06:21 -0700 >From: Pete McLaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> >To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> >Cc: "trom@lists.newciv.org" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >Subject: [TROM1] Creating by Miracles >Message-ID: <79caeefe-2efd-4a41-924c-ef11dbd24...@yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >Ale >You have the ability to create anything but will others be willing to accept >that it exists? > >To create your lake you can simply postulate that it is there now instantly >but I won't be able to accept that a lake was created instantly so you >won't get any agreement from me that the lake exists. Without agreement >from others the lake will not exist in the physical universe. > >If you will take the time and use the tools necessary to dig a big hole and >pipe water into it then I will willingly agree with you that a lake now exists >there. > >Perhaps you could start a little closer to home. Have you gone exterior to >your body yet? The process is simple. Postulate that you are outside your >body looking at your head. As soon as you decide this you are there. Now how >clear a view do you have of the outside of your head? > >I find I have a strong compulsion to use my bodies eyes to see so switching to >using my spiritual viewpoint only gives me a dim view of the outside of my >body. I know that I have clear spirit vision as some of my dreams are bright >colorful views of scenery that fade rapidly as i wake up > >I practice this daily especially when I have a body ache or pain. I go >outside the body and look into the part that is in pain to see what is wrong. >The pain will diminish or disappear so it makes a handy assist for pains. > >As I continue to do this it gets easier to do but so far I have made little >progress on clearing up the view to be as vivid as others have described when >exterior. > >None the less i am certain that i am exterior to the body. > >Now how do you feel about my claim to be exterior? Am i lying or fooling >myself or am i a spiritual being who is perfectly cabable of being exterior >and will get better at it with practice? > >Keep on TROMing > >Pete >Sent from my iPad > >On May 23, 2012, at 10:05 AM, ale <jago...@tiscali.it> wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> >> Il giorno 23/mag/12, alle ore 14:00, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org ha >> scritto: >> >>> For me doubt is kind of a confusion. One does not know yet to which >>> postulate one shall stick. >> >> >> yes , >> maybe, but I was wondering about one ability of life "TO BRING SOMETHING >> INTO EXISTENCE". >> Why I don't bring into existence a lake , or a bucket of gold ? or >> create a bird just breathing into some clay ? >> At which level of creative are we as human kind ? pretty low , isn't it ? >> my focus is how to raise the ability to create and yes to do what people >> call "miracles". >> we are supposed to do it . somehing keep us in a state of little creativity. >> Oh yes we can create our day ! wake up, wash your face , make breakfast, go >> to work , take the car, pay your taxes ,go back home,have a dinner , goto to >> sleep . that is a rpison what people create with this kind of life style. ? >> really we the people don't bring into existence anything , we just run >> the program written into our DNA. >> we have to get above of the human kind , aren't we life ? >> mind programming is written into the DNA , (see Greg Braden , Bruce Lipton >> )and we run programs written by others. >> I want to use TROM as a tool to rewrite the code into the DNA. >> Dennis says that "the Double Bind " is a deadly device, it kills you.(level >> six).It is two postulates bonded together. >> And imagine what happens if you bong a life postulates with a non-life >> postulates. >> example : "you are either with us or against us " >> well thank you very much for answering to all, >> regards >> alessandro. >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20120523/72ac9f90/attachment-0001.html> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:59:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Pete McLaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> >To: TROM <trom@lists.newciv.org> >Subject: [TROM1] New Transcript Available >Message-ID: ><1337821163.37300.yahoomail...@web162104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi All >? I just uploaded transcript of the Insanity Point Lecture 5 in DOC and PDF >formats to the www.tromhelp.com website under the Supplemental Lectures page >in the box with the Insanity Point Lecture 5 audio file. > >Keep on TROMing > >Pete >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20120523/533a07b8/attachment-0001.html> > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Trom mailing list >Trom@lists.newciv.org >http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > >End of Trom Digest, Vol 94, Issue 13 >************************************
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