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On Aug 19, 2012, at 5:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote:
Hi Paul - this was an answer I placed on the Ivy list - which you
could
consider joining.
I have been asked by Ant several times but every time I looked at the
blogs there was a bunch of anti Scn stuff. Not that such is a
negative for me. It just that I didn't see anything where any Tech
of anybody was being discussed or put forward. That is where my
interest lies.
I answered the following thread about Buddhism which I have studied a
bit but rejected: I would appreciate your and other Trommer's
comments.
Ivy - lister:
I am not a buddhist, but sadly remain emeshed in the scientology
mindfuck. I explore buddhism to give myself perspective, and the
advantage of another model for consideration.
Martin:
Thanks for replying,
I recently discovered translations of "The dead sea scrolls" - and
found
them very interesting. beautiful and wise sayings
Have you read "Gods of Eden" by William Bramley? He speaks about
"Maverick" religions becoming Custodial religions.
The only method I have come across in which the mind can be dismantled
is by using TROM by Dennis Stephens.
Stephens addresses the mind and not peripheral phenomena or subjects -
such as dynamics, ethics conditions and related "How to audit pc's."
These subjects are important however. They are tools which help one
have freedom over mechanisms which are part of keeping one in traps.
They are not the traps themselves but periphery mechanisms. I will
say more on that below.
Those subjects are probably very important ones and one possibly needs
to have some modus operandi in life but they do not address the mind's
command power.
True. Encompassed in these subjects are however some of the many
tools that facilitate traps.
Once one starts using the method - or by just reading TROM one
starts on
a journey of freeing oneself from the command power of the mind.
Yes, this is true. Dennis however did not fully address all of the
mechanisms the mind has at its command to entrap. Let me be more
specific. I posted the fact that I used Dennis' Tech and put
together postulate failure charts on Be Do Have. I offer those
charts for those interested. I will just take up one.
Have is a very insidious package of postulates. One must have
complete freedom of Havingness as part of going Clear and Free. A
statement that makes this easy to see is ... One can only have what
they don't have and likewise one can only not want what they already
have. So automatically one is not having what they don't have and
not wanting what they do have. Pure logic. When one gets to the
ability to have what they don't have and not have what they do have
without having to automatically duplicate a particular havingness in
the MEST Universe, then one will have freedom from having to have or
not having what one has.
At first all of this may sound non-sequitur and confusing but by
processing or just logically going over the trap that is presented
thru the MEST Universe through havingness one can achieve Freedom of
Havingness. It is a really big step and one that eliminates one of
the control/trapping mechanisms of the mind. For the bottom line is
the mind will never have or not have. But, through the identity (Be)
and the doingness (Do) of the identity, one gets locked into a
particular pattern specifically for themselves of what they can have
and what they cannot or do not wish to have. The MEST Universe with
its distances and separations enforces and amplifies that havingness
component. Through this mechanism one can also be taught lessons of
how un-OT, un-Clear they are.
The ability to Love as in Sedona and in the meditation of Tom
Campbell is a method of handling this.
When one goes thru the Postulate Failure Chart of Be Do Have, they
are not working against an opponent other than that which the mind
throws up in order to obfuscate and keep the battle going by
providing another terminal (which actually doesn't exist other than
in the mind). It is actually a mock battle, fully set up to make
things seem important, real and solid. It's kind of funny as only
one postulate is necessary to keep this battle in place. There is no
opposing terminal and no opposing postulate. A neat trick if you
look at it and dissect it. It's one playing a joke on themselves
without the need for anyone else to participate.
As a real-time example, just recall or look around for something you
or someone else just absolutely must have or absolutely must not have
and look at all of the effort/actions you or they take up to enforce
a particular havingness. This can be going on whether or not there
is anyone else around. An opponent is not a necessity. Sadly, only
the mind is a necessity.
Break it! TimeBreak it out.
I, too, have been enamored with some very beautiful things in
Buddhism,
Catholicism, Hinduism and even in the Quran.
I have now concluded that the beautiful things are attractants to that
very hidden "implant station" which is one's own mind.
Keep in mind 'who' is defining beautiful. As in above, who and what
is defining one's havingness.
It's not religion or politics which implants one. It's the command
power
of one's own mind. External influences may trigger those hidden
postulates - within the mind - but when there is nothing to trigger,
there is no effect.
Yes, any Clearing is the process of eliminating that command power.
That command power and in fact the mind itself being ones' self
created entity and power over one's self.
Most of the meditative philosophies try to discard the metaphorical
mind
completely because they think they have discovered the so called
source
of their disabilities and aberrations and so they attempt getting
rid of
all thought and sit thinking "I must not think"which is nigh
impossible!
I will start off by saying that ... yes, it is the source and yes it
is that which one has put there and given it power over oneself. For
myself I see eastern meditation as means to come into recognition of
the mind and what it is doing, a recognition which then places it as
an entity unto itself. An entity that can be watched and observed
and with enough of this, then have some ability to not be influenced
by it or totally at its command. It does not resolve or eliminate
the mind. It is a very good method of coming to the ability to
confront the mind and what it is. It is not eliminated or resolved.
I dare say that one may not necessarily carry that ability with them,
between lives but it is not an impossibility.
And, not thinking is an impossibility as the Theta/spirit's only
doingness is that at a very high level. There are two distinct types
of thinking and one must know the difference and at some point in the
future always be able to know which they are doing. This is a broad
subject too and one that I will not be going into here.
Hubbard was aware of this trap and disparaged hypnotism and forbade
meditation.
Yes and I have done both and been successful at both. That success
led me directly to the reasons why they should not be done. However,
I am meditating now with the intention and purpose to fully
exteriorize from the physical universe. It is the meditation of
OOBE, remote viewing, traveling and interfacing within the Theta/
spiritual/consciousness only universe. That same meditation that is
mentioned by Tom Campbell. (I wish there was more description. If
you know of any, please let me know)
In studying TROM, one will discover that the mind is set in such a
fashion that any attempt to create an effect upon the mind (Must be
known) will cause it to resist the effect - The mind sets up a
(Mustn't
know).
The same mechanism I discussed above with Be Do Have.
The greater the attempt to create an effect upon it the more resistive
it becomes.
Any attempt to withdraw from the mind (Mustn't be known) will cause
the
mind to seemingly pursue the being (Must know). Hence, the well known
feeling of being 'stuck with' ones' own mind.
So possibly you can now see why meditation becomes a futile exercise.
That and other reasons too which I will not go into here. There are
many and it is not necessary to even know one of them or any one of
them.
Discovering other realms using "Astral projection" in various
degrees or
"Remote viewing" may be very entertaining and exciting BUT - until one
has rid oneself of the command power of the mind one will never be
certain whether one is having a solipsistic experience or
hallucination.
I totally agree and the meditation I have mentioned is not to be
delved into until after Level 5 or somewhere within the midst of
doing Level 5 but that somewhere is not definable at this time.
Phew!!, I've written more than I initially intended - Forgive my
garrulousness and sententiousness if I have offered what you
already know.
Martin
I thoroughly enjoyed it and it gave me a platform to convey that
which I have discovered and know. I started my discovery trek at the
age of 3 but must admit that I took some time off over periods here
and there, getting to where I am now. Going thru puberty and
becoming an adult was a big area of lost search and discovery time.
Paul/Level 5 in progress
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