*************
The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org
************
Hi Paul
I get it. You feel that overwhelm is the hot item on your case and therefor
everyone should run that out.
However every case is different. If you read Dennis' memoirs on the
tromhelp.com site you see that Dennis was very bothered by the conditions he
grew up in where capitalists owned the housing and keep the workers in poverty
with low wages and high rents. So Dennis had more charge on degrading
conditions than on overwhelms. He was in fact quite successful with his music
and auditing and studies so obviously he had little problem with overwhelms in
life.
Personally i have more charge on degrades early in life than on overwhelms
also. But i can see that overwhelms need to be run out also.
I do not understand your insistence that Level 5 will not address overwhelms.
Level 4 is just the Level 5 Postulate failure chart with the 8 levels of games
removed. Level 4 then is Level 5 if you just consider the overwhelm so if you
miss an overwhelm at level 4 running the :"to know" postulate only, for
instance, you will pick it up at level 5C running the junior universes.
Keep in mind that the reactive mind forces itself on you. If you keep working
at timebreaking you life upsets you will eventually deal with everything in
your mind.
Timebreaking innocous objects and people at level 2 will quickly walk you into
the highly charged items and people in you life. An early tape of LRH auditing
a young lady with a sore throat had Ron asking her the innocuous question "From
where could you communicate to a throat?" she soon was answering "From a pair
of Sissors" "From a knife". Rons next question was When did you have this
operation and she began to discuss her tonsillectomy.
All you have to do is keep timebreaking charged items and eventually you will
address them all.
Ok?
Keep on TROMing
Pete
>________________________________
> From: Paul Tipon <pti...@proftitleserv.com>
>To: trom@lists.newciv.org
>Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:48 PM
>Subject: [TROM1] Leve 4 "to enhance" @ Pete and all
>
>*************
>The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org
>************
>
>
>Hi Pete,
>
>
>On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:12 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote:
>
>>
>>Level 4 "To Enhance"
>
>From TROM manual
>
>re using Level 4 to run "To Enhance"
>
>>"I can give you the basic non-life goals package. I give it to you so that
>>you can avoid it. A spiritual being cannot be destroyed. He can only be
>>degraded. And he has been degraded. He's been degraded so much that
>>the urge to degrade can beat strongly in his breast."
>
>Here is where Dennis goes off track. His Level 4 is great and then he
>proceeds to lessen it and of all things, degrade it himself. A spiritual
>being (a Thetan) cannot be degraded. One must understand this to its fullest.
> Dennis' statement is false. One needs to study what can happen to a Thetan
>and what cannot. Unless this is fully understood with 'certainty' one will
>never as a spirit/Thetan be able to hold a position in space regardless of
>what comes at him. One will also never get rid of their mind.
>
>
>All that will happen is the charge gets run off and reduced but the engram or
>the GPM remains.
>
>
>I can't emphasize it more. One has to be free from 'Overwhelm'. That is what
>one achieves on Level 4, Freedom from Overwhelm.
>
>
>Also running 'to enhance' is a sissy's kindergarten game. It will never get
>at the root, basic core of why a Thetan looses, can't hold a position in space
>and continually goes down spiral after spiral as he does the "Postulate
>Failure Chart" in reverse to how Dennis presents it.
>
>
>Once again with emphasis ... FREEDOM from OVERWHELM has to do with never
>being forced to live or forced to die.
>
>
>And don't tell me that no one here has never been in either of those two
>situations. If you have died across the 76 Trillion years of track, don't
>tell me that you postulated it every single time. Don't tell me that you
>never have been in a war or battle where you died. On the other side of the
>coin, forced to live ... don't tell me that you have never been a slave,
>forced to Be Do and Have at totally someone else's whim and desire.
>
>
>I'll give you a serious hint here. If you avoid the life and death overwhelms
>you are a fool for the only reason that you do avoid, ignore and not-is this
>is the fact, that 'It' has happened to you in the past and it will continue to
>happen to you in the future and you will continue to be the effect of it. You
>are the effect of it if you cannot confront this basic area. I don't care how
>many hours and life times you spend running Level 5, you will never be free
>without FREEDOM from OVERWHELM!
>
>
>This is what Level 4 is all about and obviously Dennis was unable to confront
>his own overwhelms of life and death. I did and I have and I thoroughly
>understand what is available to you for the rest of eternity. Within these 3
>scenarios, birth, death and slavery are the two greatest overts a
>spirit/Thetan can commit, yes, a spirit/Thetan, not a body, not a beingness,
>not an identity can commit and until you handle this area you are committing
>them every moment of every breath you take to yourself and others.
>
>
>If you want to go FREE if you want to be OT, you must get thru Level 4 and
>attain FREEDOM from OVERWHELM! There is no other choice. Stop producing and
>keeping yourself as a degraded person, a degraded being, a degraded spirit.
>Stop being degraded NOW!
>
>
>Birth, death and slavery are the most aberrated areas of one's whole track.
>Enhancing or de-Enhancing cannot even hold a candle to these areas.
>
>
>Paul/Level 5 in progress
>_______________________________________________
>Trom mailing list
>Trom@lists.newciv.org
>http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
>
>
>
_______________________________________________
Trom mailing list
Trom@lists.newciv.org
http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
