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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt [mailto:albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2013 20:43 > An: trom@lists.newciv.org > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 26 > > I know there are no mistakes! > > Quoting trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org: > > > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > > trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 25 (albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:02:55 +0000 > > From: albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt > > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 25 > > Message-ID: > > <20130214090255.horde._yadpjizapjrhkg-vz_w...@mail.sapo.pt> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > > > > I NOT KNOW! > > > > > > Quoting trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org: > > > >> Send Trom mailing list submissions to > >> trom@lists.newciv.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Manual: mistake (Jurgen Kluft) > >> 2. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 @ Alberto (Paul Tipon) > >> 3. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 18 (Aarre Peltomaa) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:23:01 +0000 > >> From: Jurgen Kluft <jurgen_t...@hotmail.com> > >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > >> Subject: [TROM1] Manual: mistake > >> Message-ID: <col401-eas1247f4bc45fe50b9a0910d395...@phx.gbl> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Trommers, > >> > >> > >> > >> I am reading the manual again ( ? again) and on every sentence I let > >> the whole thing sink in. > >> > >> When doing this I came to a possible error and I would like to raise > >> this point in the manual that, I think, is a (quite serious) mistake. > >> > >> > >> > >> It is about a passage in the Chapter ?Theory?: > >> > >> > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> The four basic actions of life each have a twin postulate structure: > >> > >> 1.The postulate bringing the effect into existence, and the > >> postulate that it shall be known. > >> 2.The postulate taking the effect out of existence, and the > >> postulate that it shall be made not-known. > >> 3.The postulate to know the effect and the postulate that it shall > >> be made known. > >> 4.The postulate to not-know the effect and the postulate that it > >> shall be made not-known. > >> > >> > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The 2nd statement at the end states ?that it shall be made > >> not-known?. It is of my understanding that the word ?made? should be > >> removed. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bringing something into existence equals the postulate ?shall be > >> made known? or ?make known?. > >> > >> Taking something out of existence equals the postulate ?shall be > >> made not known? or ?make not known?. > >> > >> > >> > >> We can thus abbreviate the above four points: > >> > >> 1. Make known - Know > >> > >> 2. Make not known - Not know > >> > >> 3. Know - Make known (1. from Other) > >> > >> 4. Not know - Make not known (2. from Other) > >> > >> > >> > >> And that is correct according to the next bullet list in the manual: > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> SELFOTHERS > >> 1. Make known. > >> 2. Make not-known > >> 3. Know. > >> 4. Not-know.Know. > >> Not-know. > >> Make known. > >> Make not-known. > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> > >> Can anyone confirm this? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Jurgen > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20130214/3b5b2046/attach ment > -0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:52:16 -0800 > >> From: Paul Tipon <pti...@proftitleserv.com> > >> To: trom@lists.newciv.org > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 @ Alberto > >> Message-ID: <91f7afc5-8558-4f61-8790-d0a29366c...@proftitleserv.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >> > >> Hi Alberto, > >> > >> This is really great to hear. Well done. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> On Feb 12, 2013, at 4:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello to every tromers! > >> > >>> Today i have finished Trom my mind is solved. I have achieved the > >>> voluntary game condition! Is a very natural state! Very simple! > >>> For what I understand is not possible to go in full no game > >>> condition because you have to drop the body! I chose not do that > >>> at this time I want to participate in clearing the planet as a > >>> field Reiki master and have the planet to be clear for every man > >>> and human! The paradise on earth is possible now I know! I can go > >>> in no game condition in any aspect of my life, but I chose not to > >>> do that! The best is let others to play games as they like and > >>> help them to go free of compulsion to play, if I go in full no game > >>> I go out of the multiversity as a spiritual game player, or joy in > >>> to prime creator! I can joy in any moment I want but not for > >>> full! I chose to do the job that is there to be done! So may this > >>> inspire your work in Trom! Do very much RI (all and every > >>> difficulty on Trom comes from lack of RI ON Be, do, have, and > >>> applying every type of postulates of the to Know chart positive and > >>> negative! Do also much RI By touch things and put postulates > >>> together! > >> > >>> This is my experience did the job for me. I did about 500H of > >>> Trom! and 200 of Reiki self therapy, and 100 of meditation, I was > >>> class IV > >>> auditor and level III pc! My life falls all apart during the > >>> process! Everything fully, and I myself as a being, got on full > >>> total failure, on the ton scale for several times! I stand up pick > >>> up my head and go to battle again! I was in the hospital for 1 > >>> time, go crazy other one, my mind plaid every game against me at > >>> the end is my best friend! For me big help was Reiki training, and > >>> at the very end meditation on who am I? (Bock keys to ultimate > >>> freedom!) > >> > >>> So here it is it can be done but only for the ones of real courage > >>> and good of hard and will! > >> > >>> You are here to make a difference in the small things life is very > >>> simple like this change your mind and you see the simple of life and > >>> stop to try to make bad influence on it! > >> > >>> So life just flow in harmony! So you are! > >>> > >>> Best to every one! If anyone needs help please ask! I do my best! > >>> > >>> All my love to all of you! > >>> > >>> To God! > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:20:54 -0500 > >> From: Aarre Peltomaa <peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com> > >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > >> Cc: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <cygnifi...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 18 > >> Message-ID: > >> > <CANrDadQ9KK4qgJZX3Md9taE_r0UJEZm0gv2h_cjUYfWO5H+6aQ@mail > .gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hi Vladimir, > >> Thank you for clarifying for the hundredth time what a cross-packaged > >> postulate set consists of. How can this be so, so, so difficult for the > >> others to understand ? > >> It's so, so simple !! The perfect opposition to 'to love' is 'to not be > >> loved'. The perfect opposition to 'to not love' is 'to be loved'. Two > >> Complementary and two Opposition postulates are right within the > >> same four-postulate package which is NOT, NOT, cross-packaged. The > >> perfect complement of 'to love' is 'to be loved', and the perfect > >> complement of 'to not love' is 'to not be loved'. How could that be so > >> damn complicated? > >> To ask at a baseball game if 'Should I throw the baseball' would be > >> cross-packaged with 'should I catch the basketball'. One is a baseball, > >> and one is a basketball. They AREN'T EVEN PLAYING IN THE SAME > BUILDING OR > >> PLAYING THE SAME GAME!! The complement of 'to throw a baseball' is 'to > >> catch a baseball', not 'to catch a football'. The opposition of 'to > >> throw a baseball' is 'to not catch a baseball', not 'to not catch a > >> volleyball'. To find the complement, go sideways/horizontal on the > >> chart. To find the opposition, go diagonally from top-left to > >> bottom-right, or from bottom-left to top-right on the chart. To > >> go vertically/up and down, on the left or right sides of the chart, one > >> will find the positive or negative, positives on top, and negatives on the > >> bottom. > >> The postulate 'to drive a car' is NOT, NOT, NOT the opposition of 'to not > >> be flown in an airplane'; that is cross-packaged since one is a car, and > >> the other is an airplane. > >> There is a more general overall postulate of 'to bring someone somewhere', > >> or it's opposition of 'to not be brought somewhere', which oversees the > >> earlier two postulates, but it's still a DIFFERENT postulate, not exactly > >> the same. > >> > >> THE TWO PERFECT OPPOSITIONS WITHIN A POSTULATE SET ARE EACH > DIAGONAL ON THE > >> CHART OF A CORRECTLY PACKAGED FOUR-POSTULATE SET. ALL FOUR > POSTULATES MUST > >> BE MATCHED UP TO NOT BE CROSS-PACKAGED; OF COURSE TWO > PAIRS WILL BE > >> OPPOSITIONS, AND TWO PAIRS WITH BE COMPLEMENTS. THERE ARE SIX > PAIRS IN A > >> POSTULATE SET, INCLUDING TWO NEGATIVE/POSITIVE PAIRS. > >> > >> SIMPLIFIED... > >> A----------------B COUNT SIX ! > >> - - > >> - - AB, AC, AD, BC, BD, CD. > >> - - - > >> - > >> - - - - > >> - - - - > >> - - - - > >> - - - - > >> C----------------D > >> COMPLEMENTS... A-B, C-D > >> OPPOSITIONS.......A-D, C-B > >> NEGATIVE/POSITIVES... > >> A-C, B-D > >> > >> Correct ? ! Thanks to Vladimir. > >> Aarre Peltomaa > >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Svoboda Vladimir > <captf...@yandex.ru>wrote: > >> > >>> ************* > >>> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> ************ > >>> ........and my 4 cents: > >>> Bonding and Cross-packaging > >>> I often observe a lot of considerations wich are fotmulated as ''if A, > >>> then B'': If I don't work, then don't survive. I work to survive. Make > >>> money or die. > >>> If I make a package with these goals ( work and survive), it will be the > >>> classical cross-packaging, because these are different goals. > >>> > >>> 1. Must be survived. 3. Must work > >>> > >>> 2. Must be not survived. 4. Must'nt work > >>> > >>> It's daily madness of somebody. > >>> > >>> If I run two separate packages it will be correct and clear. > >>> > >>> But what have these goals in common? These goals are methods to know is > >>> the answer. > >>> > >>> It is a simple example how to bond different goals. Paul gave more > >>> complicated example of this bonding scenario: "Then there is the mind which > >>> we have all set up and continue to set > >>> up moment by moment as each of us makes the simple postulate ... next > >>> time and from now on I will always ........ or never ......... most > >>> of the time will now ___ when ....... (the old bonding scenario that > >>> Dennis brings up)" > >>> > >>> 10.02.2013, 16:02, "trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org" < > >>> trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org>: > >>> > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > >>> > trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> > > >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > >>> > > >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > >>> > > >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > >>> > > >>> > Today's Topics: > >>> > > >>> > 1. Re: Cross Packaging (Pete McLaughlin) > >>> > 2. @ Paul T. RE Postulate Failure Chart @ Colleen (Paul Tipon) > >>> > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > > >>> > Message: 1 > >>> > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:53:35 -0800 (PST) > >>> > From: Pete McLaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> > >>> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > >>> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Cross Packaging > >>> > Message-ID: > >>> > <1360450415.88677.yahoomail...@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >>> > > >>> > Hi Roberto > >>> > You got me on that one: > >>> > > >>> > "Thus, a life goal is defined as one which is not opposed to the ?To be > >>> known? leg of the basic package. Thus, a non-life goal is defined as one > >>> which is opposed to the ?To be known? leg of the basic package. Non-life > >>> goals, upon examination, will invariably be found to be part of the > >>> negative legs of life goal packages." > >>> > > >>> > Dennis Stephens. The Resolution of Mind (Kindle Locations 905-909). > >>> tromhelp.com. > >>> > > >>> > by definition there are only life and non life goals. > >>> > > >>> > Sincerely > >>> > Pete > >>> > > >>> >> ________________________________ > >>> >> From: "defaul...@gmx.ch" <defaul...@gmx.ch> > >>> >> To: 'The Resolution of Mind list' <trom@lists.newciv.org> > >>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:31 AM > >>> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Cross Packaging > >>> >> > >>> >> ************* > >>> >> The following message is relayed to you by? trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> >> ************ > >>> >> > >>> >> Hi Pete > >>> >> ? > >>> >> There aren't three kinds of goal packages as you say. > >>> >> ? > >>> >> I did a search run through the whole manual. The term > >>> >> Cross Packagedoes not exist. Because there is no such > >>> >> thing in the mind. There is only "Cross Packaging", > >>> >> derived from the verb. > >>> >> ? > >>> >> When you try to handle charge contained in Life Goal A by > >>> >> running charge contained in Life Goal B, then you are cross- > >>> >> packaging. There are Life Goals and Non-life Goals, just > >>> >> the two of us. > >>> >> ? > >>> >> Regards > >>> >> Roberto > >>> >> ? > >>> >> ? > >>> >> ? > >>> >> Von:Pete McLaughlin [mailto:pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com] > >>> >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 22:36 > >>> >> An: Brian; TROM > >>> >> Betreff: [TROM1] Cross Packaging > >>> >> ? > >>> >> ? > >>> >> Hi Brian > >>> >> ? One big missing point in the TROM manual is Dennis did not give a lot > >>> of examples of some of the things he was talking about. > >>> >> ? > >>> >> What is in the mind? How do i recognize it and know what to Timebreak? > >>> >> ? > >>> >> There are three kinds of goals packages: > >>> >> The Life Goals which are the To Know goals package and the Junior goals > >>> packages Dennis provided. > >>> >> > >>> >> The Non-life Goals To Hate or to Degrade etc which we avoid. > >>> >> > >>> >> and the Cross Packages which is what the mind is composed of. > >>> >> > >>> >> At level 5 i will work with the postulates of the Life goals packages. > >>> >> > >>> >> Since Dennis made it very important to know and recognize a Life Goals > >>> Package by the relationship between its legs it then is equally important > >>> to know and recognize a the Non-Life Goals and the? Cross Packages so you > >>> will not try and run it at level 5. > >>> >> > >>> >> If we develop skill at formulating and recognizing the three we will do > >>> better at level 5 of TROM. > >>> >> > >>> >> So i am proposing that we use the goals package to formulate both Life > >>> and cross packaged goals and develop our ability to recognize their > >>> differences. > >>> >> > >>> >> This is not a big exercise.? If i can just recognize that putting To Be > >>> Sexed in leg 4 requires that To Not Be Sex go in Leg 3 which is a non > >>> complementary postulate to Leg 1 To Sex proves this is a cross package and > >>> not usable is sufficient. > >>> >> > >>> >> Sincerely > >>> >> Pete ? > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Trom mailing list > >>> >> Trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >>> > > >>> > -------------- next part -------------- > >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> > URL: < > >>> > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20130209/c6b55400/attachm ent- > 0001.html > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------ > >>> > > >>> > Message: 2 > >>> > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:49:17 -0800 > >>> > From: Paul Tipon <pti...@proftitleserv.com> > >>> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> > Subject: [TROM1] @ Paul T. RE Postulate Failure Chart @ Colleen > >>> > Message-ID: <D7F8FF11-8B90-4AE1-A052- > e9528ad63...@proftitleserv.com> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >>> > > >>> > On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Subject: [TROM1] @ Paul T. RE Postulate Failure Chart > >>> >> > >>> >> You say: > >>> >> "....That is probably true in general for me too. Simple > >>> >> TimeBreaking is quite sufficient. (Dennis' greatest contribution) > >>> >> I don't see that it is necessary to go thru a complete Postulate > >>> >> Failure Chart. I think one gets a little smarter as well as one > >>> >> does not typically install > >>> >> all 8 possible complementary postulates packages automatically and > >>> >> unconsciously if one is no longer into playing games or stuck in > >>> >> games conditions." > >>> >> > >>> >> I find your statement provocative re the Postulate Failure Chart, > >>> >> and am not sure how to take that. Myself, I see Dennis' greatest > >>> >> contribution IS the PFC. > >>> >> > >>> >> Colleen > >>> > > >>> > I look at it this way. TimeBreaking is the process and the PFC is > >>> > the road map. The PFC was derived from straight forward logic, a > >>> > mathematical recipe which has existed for ages. > >>> > > >>> > TimeBreaking was a new concept for a clearing process that was > >>> > created out of the blue by Dennis. The minute one realizes that they > >>> > are forming a games condition, TimeBreak it don't let it hang and > >>> > then when you fail at letting it hang go on to make another postulate > >>> > leg and another and another until you then have a complete PFC. > >>> > Catch it at the beginning before it goes too far or to a complete PFC. > >>> > > >>> > As time passes one will certainly run into new complete packages and > >>> > even incomplete ones that they still have as I wouldn't think that > >>> > one could possibly catch all the full or partial packages that one > >>> > has ever made since the beginning of time. And when you have pulled > >>> > all the charge available on Level 5, that does not mean that you have > >>> > pulled every package. All that can be said is that you have > >>> > TimeBroken all of the easily available packages. It does not mean > >>> > that every single one of them has been located and TimeBroken. I am > >>> > also sure that there are a multitude more non-life packages than > >>> > there are pro life packages. What needs to happen is that once the > >>> > major PFC items get eliminated to see that one does not still make > >>> > new PFC packages in the future. The question is ... how many times > >>> > have you efforted to be right or efforted to make another wrong or in > >>> > fact did both dramatically and with a lot of effort/energy and > >>> > conviction. How many people go around doing this daily with every > >>> > person they encounter and not know that they are doing this. Maybe > >>> > you are doing many of these just mentally too. > >>> > > >>> > A major part of Level 5 is not to just pull all of the old PFC's that > >>> > are being held together with charge but to not make any new ones. > >>> > Don't get into games conditions and after a while don't even get into > >>> > games without wholly realizing what you are doing and then deciding > >>> > to do it just for the fun or the hell of it and casting that PFC or > >>> > partial PFC off the road and into the ditch when you are done > >>> > deciding to play that particular game any longer. > >>> > > >>> > Then there is the mind which we have all set up and continue to set > >>> > up moment by moment as each of us makes the simple postulate ... next > >>> > time and from now on I will always ........ or never ......... most > >>> > of the time will now ___ when ....... (the old bonding scenario that > >>> > Dennis brings up) > >>> > > >>> > This is why I sign off, Level 5 in progress. I have gotten off the > >>> > easily available packages but certainly not every single one that > >>> > exists for me. I can't see that I have TimeBroken every single PFC > >>> > that I have ever created across a time span of 76 Trillion years. > >>> > I'm sure that there are many many more that are subliminal and have > >>> > very little charge after I put them together and they have remained > >>> > that way if they never became of major concern or importance. This > >>> > is also why I went to Be, Do, Have to scrape as much off as I could, > >>> > Lotta charge or just small charge to very little charge or maybe no > >>> > charge at all but there is still a PFC there. > >>> > > >>> > The Major Ultimate Viewpoint to have: > >>> > > >>> > At some point in time, the object is to start living again without > >>> > unwittingly getting into games and game conditions. That is the real > >>> > goal. The real goal was and is not to just rid one's self of charge > >>> > but to live life effectively with pro-life goals and not be the > >>> > adverse effect of or of having to be the effect of non-life goals. > >>> > > >>> > The goal is to live life as an OT and not attain OT status. That is > >>> > unbelievably hollow and unfulfilling. > >>> > > >>> > Paul, Level 5 in progress > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------ > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Trom mailing list > >>> > Trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >>> > > >>> > End of Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 18 > >>> > ************************************* > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Trom mailing list > >>> Trom@lists.newciv.org > >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20130214/dcdba78d/attach ment > .html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trom mailing list > >> Trom@lists.newciv.org > >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >> > >> > >> End of Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 25 > >> ************************************* > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > Trom@lists.newciv.org > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 26 > > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
