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Hi Llewellin,

I read Colleen's post but was not able to fully get the gist of what she was saying so I can't comment on that. However, 'To Know' is not the mechanism of a trap. The mechanism which entraps is 'Not Know'. Since one can always 'Know', if one would in fact simply 'Know', which is an inherent ability of the being, then one could never be trapped for it is the decision to 'Not Know' that will keep one in a situation or condition without any hope of every getting out or becoming free. The all encompassing truth is ... "The Truth shall set you Free". Lies, the unknowns derived from 'Not Know' are what entrap.

If one were to know what he really was and what he was really capable of as a being there would not be a trap or any trapping at all. It is one's decision to 'Not Know' that entraps one.

Paul, keep on TROMming

On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Llewellin wrote:

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I'm with Coleen on this one. When a being strikes out on its own, its first impulse in my opinion is "to know." That initial curiosity leads to eventual entrapment at least in the case of life on this planet.

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Hello Svoboda,

That is the way I always understood it -- everything matches in the
infinitive.
There is no problem running Level 4.

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Hello, Pete,

If one looks at the most basic incident possible, a type of first
separation to create persistency of the creation, the being wanted "To Know" better his creation, and all aspects of the goal set were put in place, and at this time I feel the first -- if there was a first -- goal
was "To Know".   He had to create something and do a reflexive
not-know/not-be-known  My current understanding is that the prime
being/viewpoint was less interested in being known by its creation as it was in knowing its creation better. I would not swear to this on a stack of Bibles and is only a subjective viewing with hopefully some logic. It seems to me what you are talking about is the first being that experienced or had the consideration of being the effect. I see a "wall" between these two -- a wall which gets broken down using practices in Trom. Based on what I've seen so far I'm sticking with "To Know" as the general descriptor.

colleen


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I will emphasize the idea of equal importance of all four legs. If I must to maintain own human existence as a spiritual being ( I must be known as a human ), I also mustn't be known as someone else, and I must know through the senses of the human body and not to know through other means. But why? Divine curiosity. What happens if I take a certain place in space and take a specific wavelength? I just want to know what will happen because of this. Curiosity on the scale CDEI. By the way, Curiosity is the point of exit from the area of desires that are prone to degradation.


What is the core of the case? Is my desire to be human? Is my desire not to be a free spirit, God? Is my desire to know the piece, which is available for human perception? Is my desire not to know the worlds of perception of other beings?



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