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Jesus wrote: "As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into existence (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an idea, an identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the effect." "So the goal "To be known" as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to be the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal." "Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are on the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys". Hi, Jesus. Here is my five cents. I will develop your example with SMS. Let's compare the usual thought ( "The keys are found") and the causing thought ( "The keys must be found"). When you present an effect in your mind, it is a thought. When you decided to cause this effect, then it is the postulate. Let's distinguish an effect and a postulate. The car keys ( the concrete thing) must be found ( the demand) = your postulate. Did you desire it or just think about? When your wife found it = it is the demanded effect. 1. When you look at mental picture in which your wife have found the keys, this picture is not the postulate. It is the desired effect as a part of concrete postulate. 2. When you decide to cause this thought, then it is a postulate. The first - is the desirable effect, the second - is the demand to effect. And yes, they exist simultaneously. Now present that you put postulates as on the 5th level, but with concrete effects and the terminal. Your origin is "the car keys must be found". Your wife as concrete terminal doesn't know about it unintentionally. She switched off her phone. Your postulate is in opposition to her stage. She does not put any postulate intentionally but, probably, you got a game condition between your reality and her own reality. 25.08.2014, 07:17, "trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org" <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org>: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Basic package confusion (Jesus Garcia) > 2. Re: Basic package confusion (Cory Keeler) > 3. Re: Basic package confusion (Pete Mclaughlin) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:58:07 +0200 > From: Jesus Garcia <jesus...@gmail.com> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Basic package confusion > Message-ID: > <cabz5xd4r+4mcnsj1hop4kgqenn2o6zcezxy3kjt1xyl+fhp...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello! > > As you might have guessed I am trying to get through some confusion in > understanding Level five. I would gladly receive some directions on where > to look - being that pointing out a possible MU, grammatical > misunderstanding (English is not my native language) or just simply a > section on the TROM manual that I might have missed - from anyone who would > be willing to provide said help. I would really appreciate it. Here it is: > > ?To be known?, as in ?I want to be known by others? seems to be a leg of > the basic package ?To know? : > > ?Thus, both the goal and its opposite are restrictive upon life, and are > opposed to the full expression of the ?To be known? leg of the basic > package.? (from ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?) > > Then, in the ?Theory? section I find the legs of the ?To know? package: > > Leg 1 Must be Known, leg 2 Must not be Known, leg 3 Must Know and leg 4 > Must not Know. > > I do not see ?To be known? in any of the legs; This is my problem. > > Again, in ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?, I read: > > But the basic test is always: Does the proposed goal in any way oppose > life?s basic urge in the universe: To be; To Exist; To be Known?? > > And: > > ?E.g. ?To survive?. This is a life goal, but it?s an expression of ?To be > known?.? >> From here I understand that ?to be known? is synonym of ?to be?, ?to >> exist?. > The only leg of the basic package that I can link to ?be?, ?exist? or > ?survive? is ?be known?, the creative postulate as per ?First addendum to > theory section?, ?The four basic complementary postulates?; this is the > complimentary postulate of ?To know?. > > As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into existence > (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an idea, an > identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the effect. The > being, in theory is a static and no part of the physical universe; no time, > no mass, no space nor energy but capable of creating those. > > So the goal ?To be known? as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to be > the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal. > > Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are on > the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys. > > In this example, to be known, recognized do not enter the picture, so to > speak; I could not care less how she knows or who makes known; the purpose > is only that she ?knows? the keys. > > Well, this is all I have. If you find anything to steer me in the right > direction, great. > > Cheers. > > Jesus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140824/c64abf92/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:27:12 -0600 > From: Cory Keeler <corykeeler...@gmail.com> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Basic package confusion > Message-ID: <2a21f79d-6d51-4fa9-9107-28dab3bc8...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > To be known is not "I want to be known by others". It's to be known as in > duplication. I give you a circle and you see a circle. Thus it's been known. > Maybe that's your understanding already. > > Sent from my iPhone >> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jesus Garcia <jesus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> >> Hello! >> >> As you might have guessed I am trying to get through some confusion in >> understanding Level five. I would gladly receive some directions on where to >> look - being that pointing out a possible MU, grammatical misunderstanding >> (English is not my native language) or just simply a section on the TROM >> manual that I might have missed - from anyone who would be willing to >> provide said help. I would really appreciate it. Here it is: >> >> ?To be known?, as in ?I want to be known by others? seems to be a leg of >> the basic package ?To know? : >> >> ?Thus, both the goal and its opposite are restrictive upon life, and are >> opposed to the full expression of the ?To be known? leg of the basic >> package.? (from ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?) >> >> Then, in the ?Theory? section I find the legs of the ?To know? package: >> >> Leg 1 Must be Known, leg 2 Must not be Known, leg 3 Must Know and leg 4 >> Must not Know. >> >> I do not see ?To be known? in any of the legs; This is my problem. >> >> Again, in ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?, I read: >> >> But the basic test is always: Does the proposed goal in any way oppose >> life?s basic urge in the universe: To be; To Exist; To be Known?? >> >> And: >> >> ?E.g. ?To survive?. This is a life goal, but it?s an expression of ?To be >> known?.? >> >> From here I understand that ?to be known? is synonym of ?to be?, ?to >> exist?. >> >> The only leg of the basic package that I can link to ?be?, ?exist? or >> ?survive? is ?be known?, the creative postulate as per ?First addendum to >> theory section?, ?The four basic complementary postulates?; this is the >> complimentary postulate of ?To know?. >> >> As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into >> existence (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an >> idea, an identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the >> effect. The being, in theory is a static and no part of the physical >> universe; no time, no mass, no space nor energy but capable of creating >> those. >> >> So the goal ?To be known? as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to >> be the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal. >> >> Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are >> on the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys. >> >> In this example, to be known, recognized do not enter the picture, so to >> speak; I could not care less how she knows or who makes known; the purpose >> is only that she ?knows? the keys. >> >> Well, this is all I have. If you find anything to steer me in the right >> direction, great. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Jesus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140824/dc8f4a6f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:16:23 -0700 > From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Basic package confusion > Message-ID: <d8e751e5-7a99-4bdb-acf6-e52791069...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Cory and Jesus > Excellent! > > This is a very important question. What does "to be known" mean? > > First of all the words we use are not the postulate. They are only a poor > description of the postulate. > Secondly the various wordings that Dennis uses to describe the first leg of > the basic goals package are all correct depending on what effect you are > trying to create. > > So, to be known, to create something, to create an importance, to bring > things into existence, make known etc. are all describing the same postulate. > > Dennis states that all the junior goals packages are really just ways of > making known, making not known, knowing or not knowing. This means that the > basic goals package must include any causative postulate that has ever been > made at any time ever. > > So I am right that "to be known" means that I want others to know that I > exist and Cory is right that "to be known" means to bring something into > existence and have others duplicate that it exists. > > I assign more importance to my definition because the me to be known is the > emotionally charged reason to create something. I need, as in crave, as in > addicted to the sensation of having others acknowledge me, respect me, admire > me, love me. > > Making stuff like cake or tomatoes or mud bricks just to look at them is > boring. Why bother do make stuff? > > So obviously my definition is motivated by my case. I have a button on > respect. > > The question you need to ask yourself is what definition of "to be known" > is hot in your case as this is where you will get action at level 5. This is > also the definition that will be most real to you as you study TROM. > > Does that help? > > Sincerely > Pete > > Ps. Always pick a junior universe on the basis of your interest in it. > > Sent from my iPad >> On Aug 24, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Cory Keeler <corykeeler...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> To be known is not "I want to be known by others". It's to be known as in >> duplication. I give you a circle and you see a circle. Thus it's been known. >> Maybe that's your understanding already. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jesus Garcia <jesus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >>> ************ >>> >>> Hello! >>> >>> As you might have guessed I am trying to get through some confusion in >>> understanding Level five. I would gladly receive some directions on where >>> to look - being that pointing out a possible MU, grammatical >>> misunderstanding (English is not my native language) or just simply a >>> section on the TROM manual that I might have missed - from anyone who would >>> be willing to provide said help. I would really appreciate it. Here it is: >>> >>> ?To be known?, as in ?I want to be known by others? seems to be a leg of >>> the basic package ?To know? : >>> >>> ?Thus, both the goal and its opposite are restrictive upon life, and are >>> opposed to the full expression of the ?To be known? leg of the basic >>> package.? (from ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?) >>> >>> Then, in the ?Theory? section I find the legs of the ?To know? package: >>> >>> Leg 1 Must be Known, leg 2 Must not be Known, leg 3 Must Know and leg 4 >>> Must not Know. >>> >>> I do not see ?To be known? in any of the legs; This is my problem. >>> >>> Again, in ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?, I read: >>> >>> But the basic test is always: Does the proposed goal in any way oppose >>> life?s basic urge in the universe: To be; To Exist; To be Known?? >>> >>> And: >>> >>> ?E.g. ?To survive?. This is a life goal, but it?s an expression of ?To >>> be known?.? >>> >>> From here I understand that ?to be known? is synonym of ?to be?, ?to >>> exist?. >>> >>> The only leg of the basic package that I can link to ?be?, ?exist? or >>> ?survive? is ?be known?, the creative postulate as per ?First addendum to >>> theory section?, ?The four basic complementary postulates?; this is the >>> complimentary postulate of ?To know?. >>> >>> As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into >>> existence (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an >>> idea, an identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the >>> effect. The being, in theory is a static and no part of the physical >>> universe; no time, no mass, no space nor energy but capable of creating >>> those. >>> >>> So the goal ?To be known? as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to >>> be the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal. >>> >>> Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are >>> on the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys. >>> >>> In this example, to be known, recognized do not enter the picture, so to >>> speak; I could not care less how she knows or who makes known; the purpose >>> is only that she ?knows? the keys. >>> >>> Well, this is all I have. If you find anything to steer me in the right >>> direction, great. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Jesus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> Trom@lists.newciv.org >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140824/25fe1d4b/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 40 > ************************************* 25.08.2014, 07:17, "trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org" <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org>: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Basic package confusion (Jesus Garcia) > 2. Re: Basic package confusion (Cory Keeler) > 3. Re: Basic package confusion (Pete Mclaughlin) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:58:07 +0200 > From: Jesus Garcia <jesus...@gmail.com> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Basic package confusion > Message-ID: > <cabz5xd4r+4mcnsj1hop4kgqenn2o6zcezxy3kjt1xyl+fhp...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello! > > As you might have guessed I am trying to get through some confusion in > understanding Level five. I would gladly receive some directions on where > to look - being that pointing out a possible MU, grammatical > misunderstanding (English is not my native language) or just simply a > section on the TROM manual that I might have missed - from anyone who would > be willing to provide said help. I would really appreciate it. Here it is: > > ?To be known?, as in ?I want to be known by others? seems to be a leg of > the basic package ?To know? : > > ?Thus, both the goal and its opposite are restrictive upon life, and are > opposed to the full expression of the ?To be known? leg of the basic > package.? (from ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?) > > Then, in the ?Theory? section I find the legs of the ?To know? package: > > Leg 1 Must be Known, leg 2 Must not be Known, leg 3 Must Know and leg 4 > Must not Know. > > I do not see ?To be known? in any of the legs; This is my problem. > > Again, in ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?, I read: > > But the basic test is always: Does the proposed goal in any way oppose > life?s basic urge in the universe: To be; To Exist; To be Known?? > > And: > > ?E.g. ?To survive?. This is a life goal, but it?s an expression of ?To be > known?.? >> From here I understand that ?to be known? is synonym of ?to be?, ?to exist?. > > The only leg of the basic package that I can link to ?be?, ?exist? or > ?survive? is ?be known?, the creative postulate as per ?First addendum to > theory section?, ?The four basic complementary postulates?; this is the > complimentary postulate of ?To know?. > > As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into existence > (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an idea, an > identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the effect. The > being, in theory is a static and no part of the physical universe; no time, > no mass, no space nor energy but capable of creating those. > > So the goal ?To be known? as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to be > the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal. > > Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are on > the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys. > > In this example, to be known, recognized do not enter the picture, so to > speak; I could not care less how she knows or who makes known; the purpose > is only that she ?knows? the keys. > > Well, this is all I have. If you find anything to steer me in the right > direction, great. > > Cheers. > > Jesus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140824/c64abf92/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:27:12 -0600 > From: Cory Keeler <corykeeler...@gmail.com> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Basic package confusion > Message-ID: <2a21f79d-6d51-4fa9-9107-28dab3bc8...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > To be known is not "I want to be known by others". It's to be known as in > duplication. I give you a circle and you see a circle. Thus it's been known. > Maybe that's your understanding already. > > Sent from my iPhone >> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jesus Garcia <jesus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> >> Hello! >> >> As you might have guessed I am trying to get through some confusion in >> understanding Level five. I would gladly receive some directions on where to >> look - being that pointing out a possible MU, grammatical misunderstanding >> (English is not my native language) or just simply a section on the TROM >> manual that I might have missed - from anyone who would be willing to >> provide said help. I would really appreciate it. Here it is: >> >> ?To be known?, as in ?I want to be known by others? seems to be a leg of >> the basic package ?To know? : >> >> ?Thus, both the goal and its opposite are restrictive upon life, and are >> opposed to the full expression of the ?To be known? leg of the basic >> package.? (from ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?) >> >> Then, in the ?Theory? section I find the legs of the ?To know? package: >> >> Leg 1 Must be Known, leg 2 Must not be Known, leg 3 Must Know and leg 4 >> Must not Know. >> >> I do not see ?To be known? in any of the legs; This is my problem. >> >> Again, in ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?, I read: >> >> But the basic test is always: Does the proposed goal in any way oppose >> life?s basic urge in the universe: To be; To Exist; To be Known?? >> >> And: >> >> ?E.g. ?To survive?. This is a life goal, but it?s an expression of ?To be >> known?.? >> >> From here I understand that ?to be known? is synonym of ?to be?, ?to exist?. >> >> The only leg of the basic package that I can link to ?be?, ?exist? or >> ?survive? is ?be known?, the creative postulate as per ?First addendum to >> theory section?, ?The four basic complementary postulates?; this is the >> complimentary postulate of ?To know?. >> >> As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into existence >> (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an idea, an >> identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the effect. The >> being, in theory is a static and no part of the physical universe; no time, >> no mass, no space nor energy but capable of creating those. >> >> So the goal ?To be known? as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to be >> the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal. >> >> Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are on >> the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys. >> >> In this example, to be known, recognized do not enter the picture, so to >> speak; I could not care less how she knows or who makes known; the purpose >> is only that she ?knows? the keys. >> >> Well, this is all I have. If you find anything to steer me in the right >> direction, great. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Jesus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140824/dc8f4a6f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:16:23 -0700 > From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Basic package confusion > Message-ID: <d8e751e5-7a99-4bdb-acf6-e52791069...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Cory and Jesus > Excellent! > > This is a very important question. What does "to be known" mean? > > First of all the words we use are not the postulate. They are only a poor > description of the postulate. > Secondly the various wordings that Dennis uses to describe the first leg of > the basic goals package are all correct depending on what effect you are > trying to create. > > So, to be known, to create something, to create an importance, to bring > things into existence, make known etc. are all describing the same postulate. > > Dennis states that all the junior goals packages are really just ways of > making known, making not known, knowing or not knowing. This means that the > basic goals package must include any causative postulate that has ever been > made at any time ever. > > So I am right that "to be known" means that I want others to know that I > exist and Cory is right that "to be known" means to bring something into > existence and have others duplicate that it exists. > > I assign more importance to my definition because the me to be known is the > emotionally charged reason to create something. I need, as in crave, as in > addicted to the sensation of having others acknowledge me, respect me, admire > me, love me. > > Making stuff like cake or tomatoes or mud bricks just to look at them is > boring. Why bother do make stuff? > > So obviously my definition is motivated by my case. I have a button on > respect. > > The question you need to ask yourself is what definition of "to be known" is > hot in your case as this is where you will get action at level 5. This is > also the definition that will be most real to you as you study TROM. > > Does that help? > > Sincerely > Pete > > Ps. Always pick a junior universe on the basis of your interest in it. > > Sent from my iPad >> On Aug 24, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Cory Keeler <corykeeler...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> To be known is not "I want to be known by others". It's to be known as in >> duplication. I give you a circle and you see a circle. Thus it's been known. >> Maybe that's your understanding already. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jesus Garcia <jesus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >>> ************ >>> >>> Hello! >>> >>> As you might have guessed I am trying to get through some confusion in >>> understanding Level five. I would gladly receive some directions on where >>> to look - being that pointing out a possible MU, grammatical >>> misunderstanding (English is not my native language) or just simply a >>> section on the TROM manual that I might have missed - from anyone who would >>> be willing to provide said help. I would really appreciate it. Here it is: >>> >>> ?To be known?, as in ?I want to be known by others? seems to be a leg of >>> the basic package ?To know? : >>> >>> ?Thus, both the goal and its opposite are restrictive upon life, and are >>> opposed to the full expression of the ?To be known? leg of the basic >>> package.? (from ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?) >>> >>> Then, in the ?Theory? section I find the legs of the ?To know? package: >>> >>> Leg 1 Must be Known, leg 2 Must not be Known, leg 3 Must Know and leg 4 >>> Must not Know. >>> >>> I do not see ?To be known? in any of the legs; This is my problem. >>> >>> Again, in ?Addendum to practical section? , ?Level Five?, I read: >>> >>> But the basic test is always: Does the proposed goal in any way oppose >>> life?s basic urge in the universe: To be; To Exist; To be Known?? >>> >>> And: >>> >>> ?E.g. ?To survive?. This is a life goal, but it?s an expression of ?To be >>> known?.? >>> >>> From here I understand that ?to be known? is synonym of ?to be?, ?to >>> exist?. >>> >>> The only leg of the basic package that I can link to ?be?, ?exist? or >>> ?survive? is ?be known?, the creative postulate as per ?First addendum to >>> theory section?, ?The four basic complementary postulates?; this is the >>> complimentary postulate of ?To know?. >>> >>> As I understand it, the creative postulate brings something into existence >>> (an effect) to be known by oneself or others, be that a thing, an idea, an >>> identity or whatever. Then, what is there to be known is the effect. The >>> being, in theory is a static and no part of the physical universe; no time, >>> no mass, no space nor energy but capable of creating those. >>> >>> So the goal ?To be known? as in recognized, admired, loved etc. seems to >>> be the goal of the effect rather than a creative goal. >>> >>> Besides, I can send an SMS to my wife telling her that the car keys are on >>> the table, my purpose being that she finds the keys. >>> >>> In this example, to be known, recognized do not enter the picture, so to >>> speak; I could not care less how she knows or who makes known; the purpose >>> is only that she ?knows? the keys. >>> >>> Well, this is all I have. If you find anything to steer me in the right >>> direction, great. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Jesus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> Trom@lists.newciv.org >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140824/25fe1d4b/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 40 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
