************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************
Thank you for the replies guys,
Pete, I think I got what you said. Perhaps my case may have an inclination to not be so much about specific scenes. Thanks for addressing that point. I also seem to invalidate whatever I'm doing when I'm on my on too long. So this comm line usually helps me pass those invalidations. Colleen, Thanks for sharing your experience and point of view. It's interesting your alternatives for RI. I used that method for my anxiety before even starting Trom. And I also tried to do that as RI in the beginning, but it was too much abstraction then, and I preferred to stick with simple objects. Will keep that in my bag of tools. Cheers :) On Oct 13, 2015 8:46 AM, <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Level 2 Issues (The Resolution of Mind list) > 2. RE Differentiating Objects on L2 (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:27:14 -0700 > From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Level 2 Issues > Message-ID: <mailman.90568.1444693276.1340.t...@lists.newciv.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Marcus > You are doing very well. > > as you get more experiece you will feel more positive about when you have > topped up RI. For now just continue doing it as you are and if you find > yourself being bothered by what came up in session then do some more RI. > > on cheating and skipping from objects to people keep in mind that dennis > recommends running what is important to you. if you have no interest in > objects then moving on the people is fine. > > Running objects when you have no interest in them is dull so don't do > that. move on the running what is interesting. > > Dennis set up the processes to be run on a gradient but only you know when > you have completed a lower gradient and can move up to a higher level. When > things get boring move up to more interesting material that is of interest > to you. If things get two how and you are having trouble confronting the > new material move back to more confrontable material and timebreak that. > > I can see that you are making progress Marcus. Keep up the good work. > > Sincerely > Pete Mclaughlin > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:35 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < > trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > ************ > > Hello all :) > > > > I've done 40+ hours on level 2 since my last post. I got some gains like > buried memories coming up since more than a decade ago, some cognitions > about how I got some goals, and a slight improvement in my ability to > assess 'change'. > > > > Creative RI has been easier to do (less invalidation) although I can't > still precisely define when my stock of importances is full. Sometimes I > can feel satisfied (calmness of thought) in 5 minutes, sometimes it takes > half hour and my parameter is feeling dull (this might be related to my PT > problems). Also, sometimes I feel my thoughts sliding back to the past a > few minutes after a L2 session and I go do some more RI just to be safe :) > > > > L2 also has been somewhat easier, I can sustain the execution relatively > constant (fewer distractions) and therefore assess the change well. > > > > Nevertheless, I've just noticed I might have been cheating and I would > appreciate some help. I have been for a good time now, skipping the objects > and jumping into comparing people. Initially it was to detect changes more > easily, the objects in multiple scenes seemed too evasive to my memory. > > [E.G.: lacking singular features, like my first glasses I couldn't > distinguish from other glasses I've had. So I decided to skip to people in > some cases. And then it became a habit.] > > > > 1) Is this a serious mistake? Should I backtrack and just persevere with > these objects despite their lack of memorable features? Or maybe switch to > other scenes until they become more available? > > > > 2) Also, is it a good idea to gather multiple objects in one for > comparison purposes? > > [E.G.: I have a scene where there is a couple on a bench and I regarded > the 3 as one object because it seemed like a more distinct thing about this > scene] > > > > Basically am I being smart and making it easier or am I just making it > wrong? > > > > Dennis recommends scanning objects first, then people. But, is that for > each scene or for your whole past? I also felt like this was a worst case > scenario recommendation; like for a really heavy scene. In most scenes I've > done I used only 1,2 or 3 objects/people anyways! > > > > So long, > > > > Marcus > > _______________________________________________ > > TROM mailing list > > TROM@lists.newciv.org > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:50:00 -0400 > From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] RE Differentiating Objects on L2 > Message-ID: <mailman.90589.1444698242.1340.t...@lists.newciv.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I at first was drawn more to similarities between objects on L2. I had to > work at seeing differences between objects that also had similar qualities. > At very least they were in separate locations, being beside each other. Run > until no more change. > > Well done for putting in the 40 hours! Level 3 will run better for you, > knowing you can always unstick something in a past incident by doing Level > 2. > > Smart to be careful to run enough RI - takes most of the suffering out of > clearing work. > > Yes, sometimes if my mind is stuck on a current importance, going to town > with it, then RI can be slow and seems almost non-productive. I don't know > if this is correct, but at times like that I find it's best to face my > fears and create more of it and put it all around me until the mind has had > enough to go quiet and be in a "happy place". > > For example, when I was working on my fear of spiders which became severe > while working outdoors, I didn't really want to do this but after some days > of suffering I felt the best solution would be to create more and more and > more spiders of all sorts and put them all around me (shudder!). I started > by creating silly, harmless, funny spiders, working up to the really scary > part about spiders. (I also timebroke a related childhood incident after > enough RI.) Doing consciously and deliberately what the mind was doing. > > When the mind is really worked up about something then focusing on my > breathing helps before I start doing RI. > > I'm operating on the theory that the mind considers such fears/aversions > "havingness of a problem" so I give it a surfeit of the problem it seems to > be obsessed on. Not my favorite sort of RI but it does work for me.... > going complementary with the mind. > > So I say I'm unhappy because of a current scene so I create the importance > of that scene not existing, to something I prefer, and I also create more > and worse of that scene that I'm currently unhappy with. Whatever works, > i.e., lots of clean sinks, lots of dirty sinks. > > Has anyone done RI, creating the importance of a "quiet mind" and putting > that all around them? Pretty cool :-)) > > Colleen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20151012/bc3768cf/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of TROM Digest, Vol 132, Issue 5 > ************************************ >
_______________________________________________ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
