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Sent Saturday 13th of February 2016 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips)Subject: TROM Replay B30
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:05:39 +0200
From: Antony Phillips <i...@post8.tele.dk>
Organization: International Viewpoints
To: tro...@newciv.org
Dear Trommers,
This replay B30 ending 2nd May 1996 is the last I have filed in my Fido
system. I think I only sent from my FIDO archives in the first series
of replays (this series, prefaced B is a repeat of approximately the
same material).
Next week, replay B31 will be a mailing I sent out Fri, 28 Mar 1997
06:46:49 -0800 and is an article on TROM by Frank Gordon. (In my systemn
it is filed in Netscape - a folder with 412 messages in it.)
B32 Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:03:33 +1000 will be Judith Andersen, STEPS FOR
RUNNING TROM
There is thus a gap of over a year when the list was silent (or I was
deaf :-) )
On July 2 the first series of Replay start, and I will probably, under
the "B" prefix, resend the material _which was _not_ replays.
All the best,
Ant
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Ant Antony A Phillips
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tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
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From : Bill Maier <ci...@defiant.flash.net> Mon 29 Apr 96
16:29
To : tro...@newciv.org Mon 29 Apr 96
20:19
Subj : Re: Body distortions.
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P id PAA04178 for <a...@jacome.ping.dk>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:32:34 +0200
At 12:10 PM 4/29/96 EST, you wrote:
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>To fellow trommers,
>
>Having partaken in clearing exercises outside of the CO$ I am very intrigued
>by the phenomena of expansion of space in relation to ones body and
>location. Briefly, a common sensation is of great distance between ones
>head and ones hands. It is as if my arms are 10 feet long. Other
>sensations are of enormous hands while holding the cans.
>
>Having no background in the Church I am just enquiring as to the normality
>of this sensation and is this a possible precursor to going exterior.
>
>All replies would be valuable.
>
>Regards,
>John
I have had similar experiences, and yes, in my case this was a precursor to
exteriorization. This phenomenon made more sense to me when I realized I must
be viewing these body parts from an exterior viewpoint, even though I was not
completely exterior.
My original conception (misconception, actually) of exteriorization was that I
would leave the body with perceptics exactly like those experienced when in
the
body. This is not the way things are. My perceptics and certainty of being
exterior have gradually increased with practice.
Bill
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From : Bill Maier <ci...@flash.net> Tue 30 Apr 96
00:03
To : tro...@newciv.org Tue 30 Apr 96
06:55
Subj : Re: Anyone out there actually auditing TROM?
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r <a...@jacome.ping.dk>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:11:17 +0200
At 07:54 AM 4/29/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I got the pack a few weeks ago but have not yet begun. Is anyone on
>this list currently auditing using TROM?
>
>Any advice?
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>Gary F. York
>417-881-7679
>2448 E. Cambridge
>Springfield, MO 65804
I auditing TROM through Level 4 about a year ago. It's a good set of
processes,
but not the be-all end-all that Dennis Stephens claimed.
Be sure to run lots of RI!
Bill
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From : Antony Phillips <a...@jacome.ping.dk> Mon 29 Apr 96
21:56
To : tro...@newciv.org Tue 30 Apr 96
06:55
Subj : Body distortions.
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n...@jacome.ping.dk>; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:49:00 +0200
Answering a msg of <Monday April 29 1996>, from Bill Maier to Antony Phillips:
(on TROM-L)
The idea of exterior viewpoints is well worth thinking over. My first (main)
experience in the direction of exteriorisation was hearing my (bodies) voice
about a foot in front of and below me. Obviously I had an exterior 'hear'point
above and behind my bodies head.
Greetings,
Ant Antony A Phillips
Internet address: a...@jacome.ping.dk tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy) see Home Page:
http://www.sn.no/~trone/IVy.html
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From : Bill Maier <ci...@flash.net> Thu 02 May 96
02:30
To : tro...@newciv.org Thu 02 May 96
06:58
Subj : Re: Remote Viewpoints
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<a...@jacome.ping.dk>; Thu, 2 May 1996 01:35:17 +0200
At 02:02 PM 5/1/96 +0200, you wrote:
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>There was a thread a moment ago concerned with exterior viewpoints.
>
>I have realised that the correct scientology term (from the 50s any way - and
>it is in the Scientology Tech Dictionary) was remote viewpoint.
>
>There is a subtle difference. A being can have a (or many) remote viewpoints
>regardless of whether he is exterior (to a body) or not. Taking into view the
>early scientology axioms he could occupy (consider himself at) more than one
>point, as well as having one or more remote viewpoints.
>
>Its all possible. But if you don't know any one else who is playing that sort
>of game, would it be fun? But time breaking, with that in mind, would
probably
>help achieve those states.
>
>Greetings,
> Ant Antony A Phillips
Thank you for this post, Ant. It clarified my thinking in this area.
I seem to be capable of two distinct types of exteriorization, 1) I take up
a remote viewpoint without feeling that I am completely exterior, and 2)
being fully exterior to the body. The difference is rather subtle, and is
connected to the degree of certainty of being exterior. External viewpoints
are rather easy for me to assume, full exteriorization is more difficult.
Bill
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From : Ray Harman <ray...@adelaide.dialix.oz.au> Tue 30 Apr 96
01:32
To : tro...@netcom.com Thu 02 May 96
20:35
Subj : exteriorisation
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2) with ESMTP id LAA15579 for <a...@jacome.ping.dk>; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:30:06
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Dear Trommers,
1. Gary, beware of not beginning!!
2. My experience of exteriorisation is that it can be small and
subtle, or complete and vivid and unquestionable, or shades of grey!
I have puzzled over some stuck picture, and the auditor said, Were
you exterior at that time? Ah! Yes, that reads, and the picture was
that I was just outside but did not realise it. One can mock up the
picture of what the scene would be when viewed from the ceiling and
then say well one was to some extent at least, exterior and assuming
the viewpoint of being at the ceiling... but that is an excuse for
not being exterior I reckon. Then, one can be exterior and really
know it, being totally outside of the body and yet controlling it
from a distance, or again, as a child, having fallen when climbing,
shot twenty feet in the air, seen the body lying still, and thinking
Well I had better get back in that body and make it cry. I did, but
the act of interiorising is a blank, then it was as if I woke up and
found myself on the ground, crying.
Regards,
Ray.
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From : Flemming Funch <ffu...@newciv.org> Thu 02 May 96
08:40
To : tro...@netcom.com Thu 02 May 96
20:35
Subj : Re: Remote Viewpoints
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5637 for <a...@jacome.ping.dk>; Thu, 2 May 1996 13:44:32 +0200
At 6:30 PM 5/1/96, Bill Maier wrote:
>Thank you for this post, Ant. It clarified my thinking in this area.
>
>I seem to be capable of two distinct types of exteriorization, 1) I take up
>a remote viewpoint without feeling that I am completely exterior, and 2)
>being fully exterior to the body. The difference is rather subtle, and is
>connected to the degree of certainty of being exterior. External viewpoints
>are rather easy for me to assume, full exteriorization is more difficult.
The way I see it is simply that a being can assume viewpoints. The being
isn't a viewpoint, but can assume any one, or many at the same time.
One might put more or less attention on the different viewpoints.
Exteriorization, the way I see it, would simply be that one puts more
attention on one or more viewpoints outside the body than on the ones
inside the body. It is a gradient scale, although there might be phenomena
of a sudden shift.
The concept of a Thetan actually introduced some hang-ups for many people,
in that most people would understand it as being one viewpoint (supposedly
the real ME) that's stuck inside the body, but which might get out. I think
that is unnecessarily limiting, and is in itself the cause of most of the
difficulty in exteriorizing and the cause of int/ext phenomena.
Int/ext phenomena happen when the person thinks he's one viewpoint and he
suddenly finds himself having several viewpoints (at least one inside the
body and one outside), and he gets confused and wavers in trying to decide
which one is the RIGHT one. The phenomena go away when he becomes familiar
with having both of them at the same time and stops trying to choose
between them.
Timebreaking is incidentally helpful in that, in that it re-familiarizes
the person with having several viewpoints at the same time.
- Flemming
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