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2. Re: The absurdity of false positives (The Resolution of Mind list)
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:47:52 -0700
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
To: trom@lists.newciv.org
Subject: Re: [TROM1] The absurdity of false positives
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Hi David
I agree with your point but how do you convince the compulsive games
player that this is true?
The compulsive games player is playing a life or death game. He knows
that the end justifies the means and sportsmanlike behavior is for
pussies.
How do you convince him to change his ways?
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
Sent from my iPad
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This came in my email a few days ago. It is appropriate here.
It is a quote from the Urantia book. It is a book of great wisdom:
Quote:
Life will become a burden of existence unless you learn how to fail
gracefully. There is an art in defeat which noble souls always acquire;
you must know how to lose cheerfully; you must be fearless of
disappointment. Never hesitate to admit failure or admit something is
wrong. Never make wrong right and right wrong.
Make no attempt to hide failure or mistakes or insanity or perversion
under deceptive smiles and beaming optimism. It sounds well to always
claim success, but the end results are appalling. Such a technique
leads directly to the creation of a world of unreality (mass insanity)
and to the inevitable crash of ultimate disillusionment. It creates a
world where wrong is right and right is wrong. That is called
political correctness. Political correctness is a form of lying, it is
mental lying. It is a form of mass insanity. It is intellectual and
perceptual dishonesty. It happens on every level; in individuals, in
any group from families to clubs to churches, to political groups, to
businesses, to media, to countries, to the world.
Being positive to hide failure, mistakes, insanity or perversion
eventually always creates an elephant in the room.This elephant will
grow until the floor under gives way.
Just because something is negative does not mean it is not true.
Wrong is wrong and right is right.
Call a spade a spade. Make wrong wrong and right right.
The truth is the truth.
160:4.14 (1779.6) Success may generate courage and promote confidence,
but wisdom comes only from the experiences of adjustment to the results
of one?s failures. Men who prefer optimistic illusions to reality can
never become wise. Only those who face facts and adjust them to ideals
can achieve wisdom. Wisdom embraces both the fact and the ideal and
therefore saves its devotees from both of those barren extremes of
philosophy ? the man whose idealism excludes facts and the materialist
who is devoid of spiritual outlook. Those timid souls who can only keep
up the struggle of life by the aid of continuous false illusions of
success are doomed to suffer failure and experience defeat as they
ultimately awaken from the dream world of their own imaginations.
160:4.15 (1780.1) And it is in this business of facing failure and
adjusting to defeat that the far-reaching vision of religion exerts its
supreme influence. Failure is simply an educational episode ? a
cultural experiment in the acquirement of wisdom ? in the experience of
the God-seeking man who has embarked on the eternal adventure of the
exploration of a universe. To such men defeat is but a new tool for the
achievement of higher levels of universe reality.
160:4.16 (1780.2) The career of a God-seeking man may prove to be a
great success in the light of eternity, even though the whole
temporal-life enterprise may appear as an overwhelming failure,
provided each life failure yielded the culture of wisdom and spirit
achievement. Do not make the mistake of confusing knowledge, culture,
and wisdom. They are related in life, but they represent vastly
differing spirit values; wisdom ever dominates knowledge and always
glorifies culture.
Wisdom is a higher caliber of knowledge gained from experience.
David
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:27:39 -0400
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] The absurdity of false positives
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Pete,
I have quit trying to convince people of anything, some time ago.
I do teach, but only to people who are willing to listen.
And you develop a skill to some degree or a sufficient for determining
that.
When they are ready their teacher will appear.
Most people are so degraded that they are beyond hope of beyond
rehabilitation.
It is a sad story.
Trying to convince someone of anything is also a compulsive disorder. A
games condition.
:)
Trying to convince most people, trying to convince people of such stuff
is
like peeing in the wind.
They are so degraded, so abused, so implanted with the data that right is
wrong and wrong is right that means so implanted with insanity, that they
boil over when told the truth.
This is along the same lines of what Hubbard said that in order to
communicate with a low toned, low theta person, you have to speak at a
tone
level of no more than half a point above his level.
Who has time to do that?
Sometime if you are intelligent and educated (enlightened) enough, you
can
carefully plant a seed.
Sometimes I just say a prayer: God; you teach ___________ the truth.
And leave it at that.
Then a variant of this principle takes place:
The parable of the sower:
Matthew 13 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
13 The same day, Jesus went out of the house and sat by the seaside.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto Him, so that He went
into a boat and sat, and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And He spoke many things unto them in parables, saying, ?Behold, a
sower
went forth to sow.
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the wayside; and the fowls came
and
devoured them up.
5 Some fell upon stony places where they had not much earth; and
forthwith
they sprang up, because they had no deepness of earth.
6 And when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no
root
they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up and choked them.
8 But others fell into good ground and brought forth fruit, some a
hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.?
10 And the disciples came and said unto Him, ?Why speakest Thou unto them
in parables??
11 He answered and said unto them, ?Because it is given unto you to know
the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more
abundance. But whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that
which he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables, because seeing, they see not,
and
hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, ?By
hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see,
and shall not perceive.
15 For this people?s heart has waxed gross, and their ears are dull of
hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should
see
with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with
their
heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.?
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see; and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, that many prophets and righteous men have
desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them, and to
hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 ?Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower:
19 When any one heareth the Word of the Kingdom and understandeth it not,
then cometh the wicked one and catcheth away that which was sown in his
heart. This is he that received seed by the wayside.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that
heareth the Word and at once with joy receiveth it;
21 yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while. For when
tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the Word, by and by he
loses
faith.
22 He also that received the seed among the thorns is he that heareth the
Word; and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke
the
Word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the
Word and understandeth it; who also beareth fruit and bringeth forth,
some
a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.?
24 Another parable put He forth before them, saying, ?The Kingdom of
Heaven
is likened unto a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat,
and
went his way.
26 But when the blades had sprung up and brought forth fruit, then
appeared
the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, ?Sir, didst
not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath come the
tares??
28 He said unto them, ?An enemy hath done this.? The servants said unto
him, ?Wilt thou then have us go and gather them up??
29 But he said, ?Nay, lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also
the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I
will say to the reapers, ?Gather ye together first the tares, and bind
them
in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.???
31 Another parable put He forth before them, saying, ?The Kingdom of
Heaven
is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field,
32 which indeed is the least of all seeds; but when it is grown it is the
greatest among herbs and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air
come
and lodge in the branches thereof.?
33 Another parable spoke He unto them: ?The Kingdom of Heaven is like
unto
leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till the
whole
was leavened.?
34 All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and
without
a parable spoke He not unto them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, ?I
will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept
secret from the foundation of the world.?
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house, and His
disciples came unto Him, saying, ?Explain unto us the parable of the
tares
of the field.?
37 He answered and said unto them, ?He that soweth the good seed is the
Son
of Man.
38 The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the Kingdom,
but the tares are the children of the wicked one.
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the
world, and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall
it
be at the end of this world.
41 The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out
of
His Kingdom all things that offend and them that do iniquity,
42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of
their
Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
44 ?Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field,
which, when a man hath found, he hideth; and for the joy thereof goeth
and
selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
45 ?Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking
goodly pearls,
46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all
that
he had and bought it.
47 ?Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net that was cast into
the
sea, and gathered of every kind,
48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down and gathered
the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth
and
sever the wicked from among the just,
50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing
and
gnashing of teeth.?
51 Jesus said unto them, ?Have ye understood all these things?? They said
unto Him, ?Yea, Lord.?
52 Then said He unto them, ?Therefore every scribe who is instructed unto
the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is a householder, who
bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.?
53 And it came to pass that when Jesus had finished these parables, He
departed thence.
54 And when He had come into His own country, He taught them in their
synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished and said, ?From whence hath
this man this wisdom and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter?s son? Is not his mother called Mary and his
brethren James and Joseph, and Simon and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? From whence then hath this
man all these things??
57 And they were offended at Him. But Jesus said unto them, ?A prophet is
not without honor, save in his own country and in his own house.?
58 And He did not many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.
David
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:47 PM, The Resolution of Mind list <
trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote:
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Hi David
I agree with your point but how do you convince the compulsive games
player that this is true?
The compulsive games player is playing a life or death game. He knows
that
the end justifies the means and sportsmanlike behavior is for pussies.
How do you convince him to change his ways?
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:19 AM, The Resolution of Mind list <
trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote:
*************
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************
This came in my email a few days ago. It is appropriate here.
It is a quote from the Urantia book. It is a book of great wisdom:
Quote:
Life will become a burden of existence unless you learn how to fail
gracefully. There is an art in defeat which noble souls always acquire;
you
must know how to lose cheerfully; you must be fearless of
disappointment.
Never hesitate to admit failure or admit something is wrong. Never make
wrong right and right wrong.
*Make no attempt to hide failure or mistakes or insanity or perversion
under deceptive smiles and beaming optimism. It sounds well to always
claim
success, but the end results are appalling. Such a technique leads
directly to the creation of a world of unreality (mass insanity) and to
the
inevitable crash of ultimate disillusionment. It creates a world where
wrong is right and right is wrong. That is called political
correctness.
Political correctness is a form of lying, it is mental lying. It is a
form
of mass insanity. ** It is intellectual and perceptual dishonesty. It
happens on every level; in individuals, in any group from families to
clubs
to churches, to political groups, to businesses, to media, to
countries, to
the world.*
Being positive to hide failure, mistakes, insanity or perversion
eventually always creates an elephant in the room.This elephant will
grow
until the floor under gives way.
Just because something is negative does not mean it is not true.
Wrong is wrong and right is right.
Call a spade a spade. Make wrong wrong and right right.
The truth is the truth.
160:4.14 (1779.6) Success may generate courage and promote confidence,
but wisdom comes only from the experiences of adjustment to the results
of
one?s failures. Men who prefer optimistic illusions to reality can never
become wise. Only those who face facts and adjust them to ideals can
achieve wisdom. Wisdom embraces both the fact and the ideal and
therefore
saves its devotees from both of those barren extremes of philosophy ?
the
man whose idealism excludes facts and the materialist who is devoid of
spiritual outlook. Those timid souls who can only keep up the struggle
of
life by the aid of continuous false illusions of success are doomed to
suffer failure and experience defeat as they ultimately awaken from the
dream world of their own imaginations.
160:4.15 (1780.1) And it is in this business of facing failure and
adjusting to defeat that the far-reaching vision of religion exerts its
supreme influence. Failure is simply an educational episode ? a cultural
experiment in the acquirement of wisdom ? in the experience of the
God-seeking man who has embarked on the eternal adventure of the
exploration of a universe. To such men defeat is but a new tool for the
achievement of higher levels of universe reality.
160:4.16 (1780.2) The career of a God-seeking man may prove to be a
great
success in the light of eternity, even though the whole temporal-life
enterprise may appear as an overwhelming failure, provided each life
failure yielded the culture of wisdom and spirit achievement. Do not
make
the mistake of confusing knowledge, culture, and wisdom. They are
related
in life, but they represent vastly differing spirit values; wisdom ever
dominates knowledge and always glorifies culture.
Wisdom is a higher caliber of knowledge gained from experience.
David
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