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Today's Topics:
1. Oahspe (The Resolution of Mind list)
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:14:54 -0400
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
Subject: [TROM1] Oahspe
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Robin,
1. At first I did not remember telling you about the Oahspe.
But now i maybe vaguely do remember.
2. No it is not easy reading.
3. I call myself a truth seeker, a "truth scientist" a Truthologist.
I do not believe anything.
To believe something, means to accept something as true without proof.
Or to raise an assumption, or a hearsay, a whim, or a fabrication (some
arbitrary) to the level of a fact or truth, without proof.
To believe something is intellectual dishonesty.
To believe something is a confession of ignorance.
There are only three states of knowingness:
1. You know.
You know something with certainty. You can prove it.
2. You don't know.
3. You are not sure.
Beliefs and opinions fall under two and three.
Not knowing the difference between a belief and a fact is the cause of
much
insanity and much incompetence.
Not knowing the difference between a belief and a fact is the cause of
much
conflict in the world, and most other problems too.
I have learned that the truth is nothing more or less than the right
answer
or the most right answer to any problem or question.
Or the datum that solves the most problems in the best possible way, for
the greatest number of dynamics, for the longest period of time.
That is what truth is.
The truth is that which is in alignment with universal law.
Failure is feedback from the universe that something was not/ is not in
alignment with universal law.
*(I digress a bit: Universal law consists of the laws of nature, (natural
law) the laws of physics, biological laws, the laws of God, God's plan,
the laws of right and wrong. *
*Anything that fails or anything that is wrong, broke some universal
law.*
*Some laws we know, some we don't.*
*The universe does not care what you believe. *
*Some laws when broken or violated, the results, the feedback is instant,
like the law of gravity.*
*The breech of most laws of physics is usually quite fast. *
*Some laws take yrs or generations or longer to see the results, the
effects. For example: The correct operating data to maintain
civilization,
to prevent civilization from self destructing, or to prevent someone from
blowing the planet up.. *
The correct operating data to maintain a civil society.
At the rate civilization is going at the present time, or the data it is
operating on is leading to self destruction.
But from the beginning of civilization to present is an eon in time.
So the law of what the correct operating data is to maintain a
civilization, takes an eon to realize whether it is correct or not.
*Def of civil: 1. of, or in a condition of, social order or organized
government; civilized <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilize> : *
*civil peoples.*
*2. adhering to the norms of polite social intercourse; not deficient in
common courtesy: *
*After their disagreement, their relations were civil though not
cordial.*
* 3. polite but not necessarily friendly : only as polite as a person
needs
to be in order to not be rude *
* 4. adequate in courtesy and politeness :5 not rude; marked by
satisfactory (or especially minimal) adherence to social usages and
sufficient but not noteworthy consideration for others
<https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/civil#s99456>6. having a high
state
of culture and development both social and technological7. courteous and
polite, orderly and safe *
I return:
That is what is meant by: Seek the truth in all things and the truth will
set you free.
Or: Only the truth will set you free, from the bondage of your problems,
or: Seek to KNOW the truth in all things and the truth will set you
free.
and it's other variants.
Not: Seek to "believe" the truth in all things and the truth will set
you
free.
People fail in any endeavor for only one reason and that is for the lack
of
the right knowledge (the truth) to solve the problem at hand.
Find the right knowledge and you can solve any problem.
The biggest room in the world is room for improvement.
Knowledge is not static.
There are several different dynamics of truth.
Some truth is temporary, some are eternal.
What was true yesterday may not necessarily be true today.
The truth is not determined by authority, by opinions, by beliefs, by
political correctness, or by who wins an argument.
It is not effected by such nonsense.
The truth is the truth.
The truth is ultimately determined by universal law.
I also apply the data in "How to Study a science" in "Scn, A new slant
on life", to the fullest spirit of it's meaning or intent.
In my words; Ron is saying to his followers, in that article, to stop
parroting him, because parroting is a form of insanity.
Parroting is a very low level of intelligence.
He is saying for his followers to think for themselves, question
everything, do not believe anything he says, and do their own research
and
build their own bridge.
And build a better one.
He also means for his followers to complete the cycle of learning.
That means to read all other material of comparable magnitude in the
known
universe.
And any book that helps man better himself, helps him lead a more
successful life in all aspects, and helps him understand the universe
around him better, is a good book.
I began doing that 27 yrs before I come across scn in 97.
I still do it.
I do it to the fullest extent I am able to.
A long time ago, someone told me that you will not be able to find the
truth unless you ask that empty space in front of you to teach you the
truth in all things. If you don't ask, you will be led on a wild bird
chase. That empty space is alive and well and all knowing. Ask non
ceasingly.
The truth is out there but it is hidden and protected by many layers of
lies, deception and traps to protect it from fools, snakes, prostitutes
and
swine.
Ron's directive also includes the data, the idea that one subject cannot
be understood from within itself.
In order to understand something, you have to compare it to something
else,
much preferably to something of comparable magnitude.
And the more other subjects (datums/ objects) you can compare something
to,
the better you will understand the subject.
When I read, I do not look for things to believe.
I question and test everything I read, to determine it's usefulness.
I seek to know the truth.
I have developed a good truth / BS (false and limiting data) filter.
Sometimes I read a large book and only find one useful datum that I could
use.
Sometimes none. But that is ok.
I also sometimes read opposing viewpoints.
I sometimes read and evaluate what critics say.
Then I do my own evaluation as to the value of the data.
I test it to see if it helps me (or not) solve any problems, answer any
questions, or help me understand the universe and how it works better.
And file it accordingly.
I read everything and glean what is good or useful and chuck the rest up
to
experience.
It is cheaper to learn from others mistakes, than your own.
I do not really know anyone in the world that has applied the data in:
How
to study a science, at least to the degree I have.
I don't know anyone in the world who has done scientology properly.
And you can't properly understand scientology unless you do.
Amongst many other things, many other definitions; Scientology is the
science of knowing how to find and KNOW the truth of something.
No one has figured that one out, that I know of, other than I.
In my pursuit of understanding of scientology and truth, I particularly
spend a lot of time reading the works of other great minds (ex
scientologists) (critical thinkers-not parrots) who have learned as much
as
possible of scientology, critiqued it, gleaned as much useful data as
possible from it, and built upon that, and developed their own bridges,
or
their own processes. Like Dennis Stevens, Bob Ross, Geoffrey Filbert,
Electra, Homer Smith, Zivorad Slavinski. Those are the names that come
to
mind now.
Geoffrey Filbert said that only 1/10th of 1% of what Hubbard said and
wrote is true.
That is pretty to close to the truth.
It is also true of Geoffrey Filbert who wrote in Excalibur revisited.
And if you have not done scientology and done it properly, you know very
little of anything that is useful.
Everything most people know, that is of any significance, is wrong.
In the process of completing my cycle of learning, I learned a lot from
the
bible but a lot more from the Urantia and also a lot from the Urantia.
I think those three books are essential reading as a balancer to scn.
There are more.
:) :)
Best regards,
David
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 2:28 AM, The Resolution of Mind list <
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David,
it was you who recommended Oahspe to me a couple of weeks ago.
You said that it changed your life. Made me curious if course.
I'm grateful you did.
Could not manage to finish the book until now (I think I've done
almost up to page 500 of the 1500 pages. It's not really
the kind of material one would call 'easy reading' ;-)
Up to around page 100 I was often tempted to abandon it.
But leaving a book unfinished is so unsatisfying and then it
fascinated me more and more as I went on.
The problem I had - and still have - with this kind of material
is, that I can not very well align such data to the technical
stuff I'm so used to and which is much in the tradition of Scientology.
It boils down to aligning a pure religion (especially those mono-
theistic ones with a creator entity) with the views of an application-
oriented religious philosophy which is heavily biased towards
'superiority of the self'. Occasionally it appeared to me that
the latter must be close to blasphemy from an Oahspe viewpoint.
On the other hand we can perceive the positive effects which processing
creates upon us. Never the less, your observation that "real life"
is still restimualtive even when you have wins in therapy is real to me.
In that respect you're most likely correct in stating that Oahspe
is balancing scientology.
I'm trying to resolving the seeming contradictions like that:
Books like Oahspe, and similar material, suggest to live your life
in a certain manner to ascend to higher states of beingness, to
more fulfillment, completeness, happiness, ...
While processing-tech is a tool which can support and accelerate
ones progress along that way. But the mere tool itself will do
nothing for us. One must some way or other prove under real-life
conditions its effectiveness. All tech finally pertains to life
itself.
It becomes plausible why some "bridges" emphasize a two - or even
three - lane approach. Those are: Processing - Study and Training -
and last but not least: Application in life.
(The order is arbitrary; none of those aspect has seniority - as
far as I see it.)
The way you look at your case, the way you analyze it ...
I understand what you're saying.
The "negativism" subject is interesting. I agree with the
conclusions you share at the end.
Robin
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