Perry
From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:59:47 -0500
The Jews are only one of several tribes originating from the seed of
Abraham! The "OT" is a history of the origins of all people, from Adam
onward, and from Noah onward. The "OT" plan of salvation was intended to
encompass all people. Israel's children were singled out for a purpose
leading to Jesus through whom all other nations would be blessed.
You cannot dismiss the "OT" as merely "the history of the Jews." Read!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> Terry, you speak the truth. However, the OT is the history of the Jews,
not
> the Gentiles. Christianity encompasses all who believe in Christ,
regardless
> of one's position BEFORE believing. They are two separate groups.
>
> >From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:42:46 -0600
> >
> >All God's instructions to Christians are in the Holy Bible. If it is not
> >there, I would advise you to fergedaboudit.
> >
> >Terry
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to
sin
> > >
> > >
> > > > I posted this some time ago, and thought some who have joined the
> >group
> > > > since it was posted might like to ponder the implications since the
> >Law
> > > has
> > > > once again become a hot topic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Original Message ---
> > > >
> > > > I have an interesting book called "The Seven Laws of Noah" (second
> > > edition,
> > > > by Aaron Lichtenstein, The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press, NY,
1981).
> >The
> > > > book presents ancient Talmudic evidence for a body of law that was
> > > delivered
> > > > to Noah, thus predating the Mosaic law. When the Mosaic law was
> >delivered
> > > to
> > > > the Jews, the Noahide law remained in effect for all Gentiles, so
that
> > > there
> > > > were two bodies of law in effect, one for the Jews, and one for the
> > > > Gentiles.
> > > >
> > > > The Noahide law appears to be a subset of the 613 Mosaic laws
> >recognized
> > > by
> > > > the Jews. If this indeed is the case, then Gentiles never were under
> > > Mosaic
> > > > law, but Noahide law, and so the question would become whether we
> > > gentiles,
> > > > who are Christians, are still under the Noahide law!
> > > >
> > > > Of course, the Old Testament never mentions the Laws of Noah in any
> >formal
> > > > manner, as it does the Mosaic law, and one might expect that, since
it
> >is
> > > > the history of the Jews. There are other ancient laws in the OT that
> >are
> > > > inferred, although not formally delivered, an example of which can
be
> >seen
> > > > in the fact that Cain and Abel were required to make sacrifices.
There
> > > > obviously was a right way and a wrong way to do it, and somewhere
> >along
> > > the
> > > > line they had to be told what this was. Additionally, there must
have
> >been
> > > a
> > > > law against murder since Cain was marked for killing Abel. It is
> >possible
> > > > that the Noahide law may have been a continuation of the law
delivered
> >to
> > > > Cain and Abel, or possily even to Adam and Eve.
> > > >
> > > > The seven Noahide laws are:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Justice. (An imperative to pursue social justice, and a
prohibition
> >of
> > > > any miscarriage of justice.)
> > > >
> > > > 2. Blasphemy. (Prohibits a curse directed at the Supreme Being.)
> > > >
> > > > 3. Idolatry. (Prohibits the worship of idols and planets.)
> > > >
> > > > 4. Illicit Intercourse. (Prohibits adultery, incest, sodomy, and
> > > > bestiality.)
> > > >
> > > > 5. Homicide. (Prohibits murder and suicide.)
> > > >
> > > > 6. Theft. (Prohibits a wrongful taking of another's goods.)
> > > >
> > > > 7. Limb of a living creature. (Prohibits the eating of animal parts
> >which
> > > > were severed from a living animal.)
> > > >
> > > > Having enumerated the 7 laws of Noah, the author of the book then
> > > separately
> > > > considers each of the seven laws, and determines which of the 613
> >Mosaic
> > > > laws are covered by each of the 7 Noahide laws, and determines that
66
> >of
> > > > the 613 Mosaic laws are thus included in the Noahide laws. As the
> >author
> > > > points out, it is much easier to be a gentile than a Jew!
> > > >
> > > > By the way, the book was given to me by a Jewish friend who holds
that
> > > > gentiles still DO fall under the Noahide Law, while Jews fall under
> >the
> > > > Mosaic law. I guess he was tired of answering all of my questions!
> > > >
> > > > Perry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to
> >sin
> > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:53 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >As I said, feel free to drop by any time to chew us out, Glenn.
It's
> > > always
> > > > >so refreshing. :-) We knew you were itching for it. Izzy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:30 PM
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> > > > >Subject: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >THE LAW IS A CURSE BECAUSE EVERYONE, THAT'S EVERYONE, DISOBEYS IT.
> > > THAT'S
> > > > >INCLUDES DAVID MILLER. I HAVE PERSONALLY OBSERVED HIM DISOBEYING
THE
> >LAW
> > > > >ON
> > > > >TT.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >This
> > > > > >passage speaks of the "curse of the law" which
> > > > > >is the curse that comes upon those who disobey
> > > > > >it (Deut. 28). This passage does NOT say that
> > > > > >the law is a curse.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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