Apostle Parley P. Pratt's "God, angels, and men are all of the same species, one race, one great family..." Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 ed., p 21
Apostle John Widtsoe "God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degrees of advancement" Gospel Through the Ages, pg. 107
Angels & men & god same species same race
Seems your argument is with the General Authorities not me They said it I am just quoting them & their words.
Do not try to disparage me. These are your leaders saying these things NOT Mine
I do not believe any of this TRASH!
Don't get upset with me; I am not giving you my CONCLUSIONS just QUOTES.
You will have to deal with the QUOTES and YOUR CHURCH LEADERS
Since Satan is an Fallen ANGEL he is of the SAME Race SAME Species
Since Satan is your BROTHER he has to be SAME Race SAME Species
Who's talking out of BOTH sides of his MOUTH?
In this other post you seem to be arguing that they ( spirits, angels, or humans ) are the SAME, or "Interchangable"
When Charles Perry Locke wrote: Blaine, First of all, I distinguish between humans and angels, as do the scriptures. They are not the same beings, and the Bible gives no
indication that spirits, angels, or humans are interchangeable.
DAVEH SAID: Heb 13:2
indication that spirits, angels, or humans are interchangeable.
DAVEH SAID: Heb 13:2
(Definition number 666?)
Who is the LDS Lucifer?
He is ONE of the FATHERS SPIRIT CHILDREN
He is the SEED of your Father!
He is a FALLEN ANGEL
He is the LDS Jesus' brother
He is an Apostate Mormon
He is the SEED of your Father!
He is a FALLEN ANGEL
He is the LDS Jesus' brother
He is an Apostate Mormon
He is the same RACE as men
He is second born of god, Jesus being the FIRSTbegotten
Here are some more QUOTES
CHEW ON THESE:
THE Doctrine & Covenants defines the DEVIL as a FALLEN Angel
Here is the CHURCH site
"An angel of God fell and became the devil; 30—49,"
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/76/30-49#30
Here is the CHURCH site
"An angel of God fell and became the devil; 30—49,"
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/76/30-49#30
25-28 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son, And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning. And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning! And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ
APOSTLE John A. Widtsoe "The story of Lucifer is the most terrible example of such apostasy. ... He pitted his own plan and will against the purposes of God. He strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ. When his proposition was rejected, he forsook all that he had gained, .... He was no longer Lucifer, bearer of truth, who walked in light, but Satan, teacher of untruth, who slunk in darkness. He became the enemy of God and of all who try to walk according to the Lord's commandments. One-third of the spirits present in that vast assembly supported Satan and became enemies of the truth that they had formerly cherished. With him these rebellious spirits lost their fellowship with the valiant sons of God." Evidences and Reconciliations, p. 209
APOSTLE Bruce R. McConkie "God lives in the family unit. He is our Father in heaven—the literal and personal Father of the spirits of all men. He begat us; we are the offspring of Heavenly Parents: we have an Eternal Father and an Eternal Mother. We were born as spirits, and we dwelt in the presence of our Eternal Parents; we lived before our mortal birth. As spirits we were in all respects as we are now save only that we were not housed in mortal bodies as is the present circumstance. Christ was the Firstborn of all the heavenly host; Lucifer was a son of the morning: each of us came into being as conscious identities in our appointed order; and Christ is our Elder Brother" The Mortal Messiah, vol. 1, p. 21
PRESIDENT Spencer W. Kimball commenting on the relationship of Lucifer to Jesus: "The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior's example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter? He could have opened the door and flirted with danger by saying, "All right, Satan, I'll listen to your proposition. I need not succumb, I need not yield, I need not accept—but I'll listen."" The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 163
"Similarly Satan had contended for the subservience of Moses. Satan, also a son of God, had rebelled and had been cast out of heaven and not permitted an earthly body as had his brother Jehovah. Much depended upon the outcome of this spectacular duel. Could Lucifer control and dominate this prophet Moses, who had learned so much directly from his Lord?" Faith Precedes the Miracle, p. 87
APOSTLE Joseph F. Merrill stated: "Now there is another personality of which I desire to speak, ... that person is Satan, the Devil. But according to our understanding and teachin, Satan is a person with a spirit body, in form like that of all other men. He is a spirit brother of ours and of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Elder Brother in the spirit world. The earth was in course of development for the abode of man in mortality. A Redeemer was to be sent down and make it possible for the Father's children to return to him." LDS Conference Report, April 1949, p. 27
SATAN may be your Brother He is not mine!
Shocking!!!!!
You can ARGUE GENETIC MATERIAL all you want fact is LDS LEADERS say YOU and SATAN are BROTHERS DEAL WITH IT! His FATHER is YOUR FATHER YOU are BOTH of the SAME SEED!
JN 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Your words ring HOLLOW Dave!I have drawn NO CONCLUSIONWORDS MEAN SOMETHINGWords mean what they say & say what they meanAlso Joe said the "scriptures mean what they say & say what they mean" ToPJS p264UNLESS of course all Mormon words must be intrepreted & Blessed by someone with special interpretive powers and a MAGIC ROCK!.How many meanings are there to "SAME SPECIES" "ONE RACE" "SAME RACE"OR does it DEPEND ON THE MEANING of what IS IS? I provided quotes from church AuthoritiesApostle Parley P. Pratt's "God, angels, and men are all of the same species, one race, one great family..." Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 ed., p 21Apostle John Widtsoe "God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degrees of advancement" Gospel Through the Ages, pg. 107You are the spokesman for the church? You are a APOSTLE? Blaine also affirmed such. we are all of the same race Dave you may not believe it but the church taught it and continues to teach it.Your denial does not make it so. You must produce a Authority that says it is not so.FYI The Video called the Mormon Puzzle has a Church spokesman saying it also.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DAVEH: ??? Hmmmmmm.......Let me see if I am understanding you, Kevin. My below comment said that Satan does NOT have any genetic material. And you are saying that that comment is contrary to what LDS theology HAS taught, is contrary to what they NOW teach, is contrary to what BLAINE said, and is contrary to what MORMON PUZZLE said. And you think because of what I said below, MY WORDS RING HOLLOW.....?!?!?!?!FTR......I stand firm in my comment below. Let me reiterate......
"In his effort to disparage LDS theology, Kevin has drawn an incorrect conclusion. LDS theology does not teach such, nor is it even possible, as Satan does not have any genetic material.".........Your above faulty conclusion is but another example where you have drawn it incorrectly. If you expect me, Blaine or any other TTers to believe anything you say, you will have to produce a quote from Blaine or LDS authorities or LDS theology that says something to the effect that Satan has genetic material that is the same as that which Jesus, or me or you have. If you wish to think it is me that has taken stuff out of context, think again Kevin. It should be quite obvious to anybody who is following your comments as to who is taking material out of context.
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kevin Deegan wrote:
LDS teachings are SHOCKING!DAVEH: And you shouldn't, Laura. In his effort to disparage LDS theology, Kevin has drawn an incorrect conclusion. LDS theology does not teach such, nor is it even possible, as Satan does not have any genetic material.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/13/2004 5:46:18 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Since the only god (with whom we LDs have to do) - the father - Elohim is of the same genetic makeup as Satan in LDS theologyAnd Satan and his brother Jesus - the son - Jehovah is of the same genetic makeup in LDS theologySorry can't buy into that one!!!! Laura
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