[TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

[Wm. Taylor]

"But the wisdom that comes from God is first of all pure, then peaceful, gentle, and easy to please. This wisdom is always ready to help those who are troubled and to do good for others. It is always fair and honest. People who work for peace in a peaceful way plant a good crop of right-living. Do you know where your fights and arguments come from? They come from the selfish desires that war within you. You want things, but you do not have them. So you are ready to kill and are jealous of other people, but you still cannot get what you want. So you argue and fight. You do not get what you want, because you do not ask God. Or when you ask, you do not receive because the reason you ask is wrong. You want things so you can use them for your own pleasures."  -- James 3.17-4.3             A man criticizes another for being five foot tall and two-hundred seventy pounds, as if he can take credit himself for his own 5' - 10" and 180. A man criticizes another for his dark skin and curly hair, as if he himself can take credit for being blond haired and fair complected. A man criticizes another for his high intelligence, as if he himself can take credit for his own. Come on, people, get over it. We cannot take credit for being 5 - 10, for our great metabolism, our blond hair and blue eyes, or being really bright. We didn't get a say in those matters -- that's the way God made us! When we criticize in stuff like that, we show our own pride and prejudice. When we criticize in things like that, who is it that we fight?           Lighten up! How can we expect others to get this stuff if we do not demonstrate it ourselves?           When I suggest that a lack of education has led to no end of misunderstanding, I am not puffing myself up. Why? because you do not have to be ignorant. Let the ones with knowledge teach the ones without. Don't take offense at that. Participate. Appreciate. Become a one with knowledge.   Bill Taylor      ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me. Bill, Apparently, your point is that 'many..Spirit-filled Christians' are stupid, but the smart Christians are enraptured with 'personal knowledge and the tacit dimension'..Thanks--this helps to better understand the conversation/s you're having here. G ~ P 235   Now, now, G. That's taking some liberty.     Bill     On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:14:24 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, so I'll go in two directions. Firstly, let me say, and I'm sure you will agree, that Jesus has and continues to influence people who do not believe he is Messiah. Nevertheless there's no getting away from him. He is Lord!   Secondly, let me also say that many of our so-called "Christian" ideas of protocol in ethics, divine attributes, justice, and logic, are nothing more than Aristotle baptized and christianized by Thomas Aquinas. It's not just the RCC who endorses Aquinas. He influenced the Reformed church in a major way after Calvin passed on. Have you ever heard of Reformed Scholastics? That was nothing less than a all out effort on the part of Beza, et al, to synthesize and systematize Calvin under the rubric of Aquinas. All of that to say that many unsuspecting, Spirit-filled Christians have been duped into accepting or rejecting "Christian" ideas, for no other reason than that they do not realize they are asking their questions from an Aristotelian framework and not a purely "biblical" one.   Did I get to your question?   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me. no doubt about (e.g.) Plato's continuing influence on culture/s, Bill; much different, however, then that of the HS, whose influence is perhaps *unknown* by comparison--or shall we say *unexperienced*? any Idea/s why?:)     On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:40:40 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi G,   Actually, if I were to say I adhere to a philosophy, I would look to the breakthroughs of Michael Polanyi (dash! a Roman Catholic Jew!), and read all philosophy through his insights on personal knowledge and the tacit dimension.   I do not prefer Plato or Aristotle, both wrote from a BC Greek context. I am just saying it is absolutely the epitome of arrogance and hubris to discount these guys and think you can live in this world absent their input. Only Jesus Christ stands in human history as being more influential to human thought than Plato. Don't be so proud as to think Plato or Aristotle do not sneak their way into your way of thinking about Christ. That's all I'm saying.    Thanks,     Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me. ok; but if not Aristotle's, what are the philosophical premises of your theology? Do you prefer Plato? G ~ P 235   On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 06:26:39 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oops, I just sent an archived post. Sorry, you can disregard it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.   >But this is Aristotle!