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Also, OUCH! Judy strikes another BLOW for her
TRUTH.
May God grant that we might all join Judy on that
high perch from
which she looks down on unenlightened folks.
Lance
jt: Is the above a "meaty" and mature response Lance or
the other kind which ridicules or snarles at the other
person
while standing under the Word in your own words?
Are you saying something meaningful about the subject or
are you attacking the
person you are responding to?
judyt
God allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people
study
Ahhh but, which Jesus. This was, is and will be
the central question
until the eschaton at which point it will the
name spoken in acknowledgement
and praise. Lance
jt: I'm not familiar with the term
'eschaton' (is that scriptural?) but by the time
many figure it out it will be too
late - It's not whether or not we think we know
Him. The question is "Does He
know us?" or will he say "depart from me, you
who practice lawlessness?" I
sure would not trust these wide sweeping
mental constructs if I were
you....
judyt
God allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people
study
jt: I think it is
important enough to talk about but I doubt we will reach a consensus until
we decide to fellowship around God's Word and lay our pre-conceived
notions, the Nicene Fathers and all that aside and come
humbly asking the Holy Spirit to reveal God's Word to us. DaveH and
Blaine are not seeking answers because they believe they have them
already in
Mormonism
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tc:
Dave and Blaine have their problems, but I was addressing OUR
problems. We need to get the beam out of our own eye. Only then
are we in a position to help them. One way to do that is to examine
yourself. If you find no fault, you are perfect. If you find any
fault, it is a serious fault, and needs to be dealt with. There are,
in my estimation, no small faults. The world is watching you,
expecting to see Jesus.
DAVEH: I'm not sure I'm welcome in this
conversation...... ================================================
tc: Dave, I
welcome your thoughts. Though I do not share your beliefs, I
admire the way you are able to discuss them without demeaning the person
with whom yor are conversing. I do not know if you are doing this
based on training or in love, but you set a far better example than most
of
us.
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Dave: In short......you are right, Judy. What I
hear/see in TT does not compel me to want to change from what I
have. In fact, when some tell me they want to wave my underwear in
public, I want to run the other direction. But something else in me
wants to find out why those underwear wavers want to act that way, which
is so contrary to what I perceive Jesus would do.......which is why I've
enjoyed some of my discussions with the street preachers. I just
want to find out why that kind of thinking makes them tick. I
suppose that also explains why I enjoy TT so much. Though it is so
contradictory to the nature of the way I've been taught, I'm extremely
curious as to why you folks seems so comfortable with the religion you
practice that produces such interesting fruits I don't know if that
makes sense to any of you. And, I hope I'm not offending anybody by
sharing my thoughts. Delete it if you don't want me butting
in......or.....Ponder it as an outsider's
observation. =================================================================
I
am not sure you can open your mouth without offending someone, but please
continue. Outside observations can be valuable to those who want to
learn. You might, if you really want to avoid conflict to some extent,
stop using the word "protestant". I am not certain what you would
replace it with, but that word does not describe today's Christian.
Religion is another bummer. All religions all seem to have one thing
in common, that being that good works will get you salvation. I have
faith in my Savior to accomplish that. My good works, according to the
Bible, have all the value of a filthy rag. No religion for
me.
Terry
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