RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM

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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM   Izzy wrote: > LOL!  I certainly don't think women are smarter > than men, either.  I just think we have "different > smarts".    I prefer to think of it this way too, Izzy.  Measuring intelligence is nearly impossible.  IQ tests don't give the full picture.  Grades don't either (Einstein had very poor grades in school).  Every test given is tainted by those who give them, and we will see women being shown to be smarter than men as women increasingly become the ones who design the tests.  Even now, statistics for public schools are showing school boys lagging behind girls in academics.  Part of the reason for this might be that there are more female teachers and administrators, more females designing the tests, etc.  However, another factor may be cultural in that boys are feminized and not allowed to express their natural masculinity in profitable ways.  It also may be that it is not cool for boys to be smart.   So, anyways, I prefer to say that men and women are different intellectually and in regards to leadership qualities.   David, I don’t think there is a difference of “smartness” re: leadership qualities.  God just wants us to operate differently with those “smarts”.  Have you ever tried to lead a pack of toddlers anywhere?      God has ordained an order for this.  We should accept these facts rather than try to blame our ancestors as being the cause of it all.    I do accept God’s order for leadership—did you think I don’t? If God created us to be different, let us appreciate those differences and live in complimentary relationship with one another rather than trying to seek for an equality that does not exist and that our Creator did not mean to exist.   Izzy wrote: > ... I agree with David M's observation that women > have not historically been great scientists or > philosophers.  I just don't agree with his > conclusion: that women aren't smart enough.    Now you know that I did not say that!   David, here is where I got that idea: You explain what you meant (below) yesterday:   “Now it might be a little sensitive in our culture to talk about this, but intellectual endeavors does not seem to be a particularly ripe field for women.  As you try to list the great thinkers and intellectual contributors who were women, you realize that there is a paucity of them.  Where is the female counterpart to Einstein?  Where is the female counterpart to Newton?”     Women are smart enough for what their Creator intended for them to do.  My wife is a CPA and I have never even had a business class.  You can bet that I am always asking her questions about business law, taxes and the like.  That means she is smarter than me in that area, but I will never get her to rebuild an engine or discuss relativity theory with me.  I will probably never change her opinion that I am the smartest person she has ever known.    I have exactly the same opinion about my husband.     I heard recently that about 60% of enrollment in college now is women. Visit the science and engineering classes, and I do not think you will find 60% women.  There was always a paucity of women in all the science classes I took.  Whenever a guy said his major was education or something non-technical in the arts and letters side of campus, other guys would rag on him with envy concerning how he was in the classes with all the girls.  I remember once taking several calculus classes and then signed up for a statistics class the next semester.  The calculus classes were very difficult and had like 3 girls in it and about 25 guys.  I was shocked when I walked into the statistics class because there were about 25 girls and 7 guys.  The tests were so easy that I never studied and made 100's on every test.  I thought the class was a complete waste of time intellectually.   These are natural ways our society segregates itself by gender, but for some devilish reason we want to blame our ancestors for it and claim that men and women are the same.  I think we need to be comfortable with our differences and value them.  Remember that the relationship of the woman to the man and the man to the woman is meant to communicate man's relationship to Christ and Christ's relationship to man.  If we try to argue that the relationship is based upon equal abilities, then we are disrupting this teaching.  If, on the other hand, we recognize the differences and how we fit together, we will better appreciate how Christ, who is so much better than us, desires us nonetheless, and that we are valuable to him and his purposes.   David, We agree that women and men think differently. But I am not sure that we agree that women are not as intellectually inferior to men. Izzy