Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

[Lance Muir]

Iz:Go back to crocheting where you can do more good. Your poor brain's overloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 14:19 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN? Well, like ya know; God ain’t stuck in chronology, Lance. Get it? The Trinity always existed, always will, and nothing is new with that. He is “I AM”, not “I WAS, I AM, and I WILL BE.”  He is free of “time”, which you are using to say that He changes, contrary to scripture. (Which He wrote and with which you disagree.) Izzy "I am YHVH your God and I do not change.” From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?   Please (duh) tell me your meaning. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 12:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?   Lance you are stuck in the earthly time warp.  God is not. (duh) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?   Jt:Will you then explain your understanding of my three illustrations? 1. Cosmos (not eternal) 'New' 2. Incarnation (not eternal) 'New' 3. Humanity (Christ) ascended to the right hand of the Father (not eternal) 'New' ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 08:47 Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?   Wrong, God does not change and neither does His Word but then you don't believe His Word, you would rather rest your faith in the words of theologians who have a "broad" way to heaven.  Since God is the Source, the cosmos is not new to Him, the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world is not new, and there will be no glorified flesh in heaven .. because no flesh gets to glory in His presence.  You may have a dynamic understanding Lance but it is not from God.  jt   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Of course God has 'changed' (allowing for the limitations of human language). Three things that are New even for God: 1. The Cosmos 2. The Incarnation 3. Resurrected, glorified HUMANITY ascending to the right hand of the Father where He, Jesus, continues to mediate on our behalf. This reflects a dynamic rather than a static understanding of our God. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 19, 2004 19:56 Subject: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?   That is why you descendants of Jacob are not already completely destroyed.  Ever since the days of your ancestors you have scorned my laws and failed to obey them.  Now return to me and I will return to you,' says YHVH" Malachi 3:6-7         God has not changed, so what makes anyone think His Law (Torah) has changed?  I ask my question again,  If you reject God's law then how do you define sin?          Secondly, if you reject His law how can you embrace Yeshua?  After all who is Yeshua?  He is none other than God in the flesh!(John 1:1)  It really saddens me to think that people are misled by teachers, preachers, etc. who have been misled by their mentors, who have been misled by their teachers, etc. for nearly 2000 years.         This is very odd because I know someone will eventually throw Acts 15 at me.  So I'll beat you to the punch and ask that you explain Acts 15:21.  And while you're at it explain how the Pharisee of Pharisee's who studied at Gamaliel's feet would reject God's Torah when it is so plainly clear in the Bible that Shaul both understood who Yeshua is and worked so hard for the salvation of the Gentiles and the Jews. The very same Paul who not only took a Nazarite vow, but went to the Temple and paid the price for several other Nazirs to fulfill their vows.  Shaul did this for what reason? To reject Torah?  There ain't nobody gonna convince me that Shaul rejected Torah. His actions disprove that doctrine!! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature   Jeff Powers wrote: Lets see now, if I'm understanding this John rejects Torah. So if this is true John, What then is sin?  >From my perspective, if we reject Torah then we quite naturally reject God's law and in rejecting God's Law we therefore have to reject ALL notions of sin.  Without Torah, how are we to know what sin is? ======================================================== Something you might want to consider Jeff.  There was sin and there was a penalty for sin long before Torah.  Mankind left the garden with a knowledge of good and evil.  Sometime later the law came, and after that, the law was fulfilled.  In the meantime, no one was ever able to keep it.  It was meant for a people, for a time, for a purpose.  Those times are over.  Now we live by faith, evidenced by love and obedience (Works). Terry