Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The 'Beyond Within' and The Way of Jesus

[Judy Taylor]

jt: I believe you are referring to me above as the "one"; you lump what you refer to as "judging" all together and apparently don't see any difference between judging a person vs judging their teaching or doctrine. The former is never good for a professing believer because it breaks the royal law by not walking in love, and will cause lots of bad reaping .. Whereas the latter is what the more honorable amongst us or good Bereans make a practice of doing.  There is a difference Jonathan and it saddens me that you are not able to see it.   Jonathan:  I was referring to you as the ‘one’.  I am afraid that you do not see that quite often your judgments are not about teaching or doctrine but are about the person.  Your judgment on Lance today is a case in point.  What you accused him of simply was not true.  There was no bait and switch with Izzy.    jt: I don't recall making any judgment Jonathan. I asked Lance a valid question which was not only about that particular post from Izzy. Lance is usually responding with one liners and using unusual words so that I very seldom know what he is attempting to communicate. This was not an attack, I am  being honest with you.   When I met with him tonight (we always meet on Friday nights) he again exclaimed surprise that the quote he gave was not received more warmly.  It is one of his favourite passages from Willard, one that he has shared with a number of people.  Each one has always thought the passage to be worthwhile.    jt: The quote did not mean much to me since I don't read Willard and Lance had taken it out of it's setting and had not identified the author.    There was no judgment of Lance’s doctrine or teaching here by you, just a jump attack on Lance.  Judy, each of us are professing believers and each of us judge people on TruthTalk all the time.  We also partake in judging each others doctrine.   One day we will stick to the latter.   jt: I think you and possibly Lance are too quick to take offence.   Jonathan:  John has also made a few posts about how easily offended I am.  I would have to ask those close to me to see if this is true of my character.  For a few weeks several months ago it was the ‘in’ thing on Truthtalk to put others down by highlighting their sensitivity.  It even went so far as to call it an emasculated or feminine approach.  This was used very well by a few people against Bill Taylor.     jt: From an incredulous Judy .. How do you figure there is an "in thing" on Truthtalk Jonathan?  You are dealing with multifaceted individuals here all learning and growing. I vaguely remember a tongue in cheek remark like that but hey! when you get into parody and joking you have to take it as well as give it. I usually try to steer clear of all that. I've had enough of it raising four children and understand that humor can have a cutting edge.   From my point of view, I was hurt very much by the post you put out about me ‘dying with my CFS.’    jt: I didn't write that with the intent to hurt Jonathan - It's a fact that there are diseases unto death and so far there is no know etiology for CFS and no uniform way of treating it that I am aware of. I've had friends who were very debilitated by this and find it hard to understand how someone in this situation is so opposed to God's Word with regard to health and healing.   I have been frustrated many times in what I perceive as attempts by you to halt dialogue.    jt: In what ways do you perceive that I attempt to halt dialogue?    I am not sure how many times I have actually been offended though.  Perhaps I am playing at semantics here.  When I read one of your posts my first response is often a form of anger: frustration at you.    jt: Can you articulate why you are angry and frustrated with me?   Then I usually turn it inward upon myself.  I blame myself for not communicating clearly what is on my heart.  If you, or others, do not pick up on my passion for the Person of Jesus Christ I view that as my own failure to communicate.    jt: I still don't understand this "person" you are talking about.  How would one identify him?   John, who does not always see eye to eye with me does see this passion in me.  For that I am grateful.  I look forward to the time that you, Izzy and Terry see this same passion.   jt: Possibly John sees differently because he is on the verge of embracing the same passion...