Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

[Jeff Powers]

As I said, IGNORANCE IS BLISS! ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 15:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands     On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:12:37 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What do you think Jesus, Paul, Timothy, Peter, and all of the disciples taught from, Judy? What commandments IS Jesus speaking of when He says...If you love Me, you will obey My commands?  Kay   jt: I don't believe they spent time preparing a three point sermons Kay, nor do I believe they sat at the feet of the local Rabbi. In fact the fishermen were noted to be 'unlearned' men.  Since Paul was a pharisee he studied under Gamiliel (I think it was) at some point but all of that was useless to him without the revelation of the mystery he received from Christ during his time in the desert (Galatians 3:3)  Paul said that flesh and blood didn't teach him his gospel, he received it by revelation and later on the leaders at Jerusalem validated it.  As for Peter, he was the first to receive this revelation from heaven about the Christ - Jesus said "Blessed are you Simon Barjona for flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my Father which is in heaven"   As for your last question.  I've listed His commands on TT already - there are NOT 613 of them either.... See John 13:34, John 15:12, John 15:17, We are told more than once that the whole law and the prophets are fulfilled in one word in the statement "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Galatians 5:14).  What can you add to make it better or more perfect?  Judyt   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:48:49 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Maybe Jesus had a copy of the Newer Testament in his back pocket as He walked in Israel.....Kay   jt: What's that supposed to mean Kay and why would Jesus need a copy of anything in his 'back pocket' if he had one?  After all he was walking in the fullness of the Spirit wasn't he?  Why have you taken the seat of the scornful? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Hi Kay, I would suggest that Judy is not saying/thinking what you wrote below.  I perceive Judy as a person who is very much concerned with matters of obedience and fearing God.  The disconnect may be in what/who one obeys.  I think that you may place primacy on obedience to levitical law while Judy would place primacy on obedience to the moral law illustrated in Jesus Christ.  Also, I think that Judy and you would disagree as to what commandments Jesus was speaking of when He says to do His commands. Jonathan Hughes    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands The below would be the essence of what you're saying, Judy. We don't need God's law anymore, it was abolished by Christ on the cross. We certainly aren't fearing God when we aren't obeying, instead making up our own man-made ways of worshipping Him, rather than the way He told us to do it. We've figured out and our plan is so much better than His, wouldn't you agree? Sounds like it to me, otherwise, why not do as He says to do in His commands??   Kay -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, 15 November, 2004 11.13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Too cool! I can do whatever I want and live however I choose 'cuz I'm covered by grace!!!!  K.   jt: The above would be the musings of a deceived soul.  True grace is not a cover for sin. It is the power proceeding from the resurrection which enables us to do as we ought. Nevertheless I do understand that there is too much of the above going on and not enough fear of God out there because we are living in the end times when folk will not endure 'sound doctrine'.  judyt     [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lance Muir The indicatives of Grace always preceed the imperatives of Law. Take a look at the paragraph just prior to the decalogue in Exodus.     From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Adhering to the Law of Moses to earn salvation is > legalism and bondage. There is nothing we can do to > earn our salvation. Once again I say that we follow > the Law out of love for Jesus. If you love Me you will > follow my commandments. And there is no difference > between God's commandments and Jesus' commandments. > > Suzy > > --- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jt: Both. All of God's Word is good in balance and > > in context that is, > > when we allow scripture to say what the author > > intended. There are > > clearly two Covenants involved here and to insist > > that those who have > > been made free in Christ must also adhere to the Law > > of Moses is putting > > them back into legalism and bondage. > > > > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:59:53 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Judy, You have just contradicted yourself.  If you > > "don't have any > > objection to any commandment of the Bible because > > every word of God is > > good," then why do you call it "that kind of > > bondage"?  Either it is good > > OR it is bondage.  Which? Izzy > > > > > > > > > > > > jt: I don't have any objection to ANY commandment of > > the Bible because > > every Word of God is good. However, why put people > > back under that kind > > of bondage when we have been given liberty in > > Christ? > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! 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