Re: [TruthTalk] Repentance

[Lance Muir]

Seriously..fuzzier..and fuzzier...Let's just drop it. I truly have no idea what you're getting at except well...I've said enough ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Repentance Lance your question WAS: Are you confident that the 'translation' is by Ryrie as opposed to the 'notes'?  Ryrie changes the text (not just his notes) to support his liberal bias. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Repentance   Sighhhhhh My question, you will note, remains unanswered. Also, your quote demonstrates what? ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:32 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Repentance   From “The Divine Conspiracy”, just one example of Ryrie changing the text:                         Ryrie is so sure that the saving gospel is about Jesus’ death that, in Matthew’s story of Mary Magdalene’s anointing of Jesus for burial, he simply inserts the words about his death after the word gospel in Matt 26:13. This makes the passage say, in Ryrie’s words, “that wherever the good news about his death was preached, Mary Magdalene’s good deed of anointing Him in anticipation of that death would be known” (italics mine). But the scripture text itself simply says, ”Wherever this gospel is preached” and does not indicate that it is “about his death” at all.   Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Repentance   Are you confident that the 'translation' is by Ryrie as opposed to the 'notes'? Please illustrate your charge that he is a liberal as I did not so view him. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 17, 2004 19:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Repentance   Jonathan, I believe that repentance requires (1) humbly admitting your sin, (2) turning from it to righteousness. Izzy  (PS Ryrie is a liberal translation of the Bible. No wonder you like it.)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Repentance   This could be a good time to make a few random comments on repentance.  A few days ago Terry asked John why the outline of parts of his faith didn't include the word repentance.  Most people on this forum believe that repentance is necessary for salvation; they see it as a necessary step or condition for God to do His act of justification in our hearts.  Some may find it interesting to note that John's gospel does not use the word 'repent' once.  The concept of repentance is completely absent.  Now John states that the purpose of his gospel is to bring people to faith in Christ (John 20:31).  Knowing this is his purpose we must ask ourselves why John doesn't use the concept of repentance to illustrate the nature of the gospel.  Instead John uses the concept of belief.  Here is Charles Ryrie regarding the absence of repentance in the book of John:   "And yet John surely had many opportunities to use it in the events of our Lord’s life which he recorded. It would have been most appropriate to use repent or repentance in the account of the Lord’s conversation with Nicodemus. But believe is the word used (John 3:12, 15). So, If Nicodemus needed to repent, believe must be a synonym; else how could the Lord have failed to use the word repent when talking to him? To the Samaritan harlot, Christ did not say repent. He told her to ask (John 4:10), and when her testimony and the Lord’s spread to other Samaritans, John recorded not that they repented but that they believed (vss. 39, 41-42). There are about fifty more occurrences of “believe” or “faith” in the Gospel of John, but not one use of “repent.” The climax is John 20:31: “These have been written that you may believe . . . and that believing you may have life in His name.” (Charles C. Ryrie, So Great Salvation, Victor Books, p. 98)."   The Greek word for repentance is 'metanoia' which means 'a change of mind'.  It represents a 180 degree turn in the opposite direction.  What it does not include is what many of us add to the concept of repentance which is - feeling sorry for something we have done.  The fact that we equate 'feeling sorry' with repentance illustrates how we have integrated the Roman Catholic doctrine of penitence with repentance.  Repentance, New Testament style, is belief or faith.  It is God breaking into our fallen minds, transforming them so that we are able to become free.   We must always keep in mind who the author and finisher of our faith is: Jesus Christ.  He who began the good work in us is faithful to complete it.  No act (repentance, belief, faith, baptism, circumcision, obedience) of our own can save us.  It is God and God only who saves.  We are given the grace to respond.   I think it would be worthwhile to extrapolate these thoughts to a discussion of what occurs in forgiveness since repentance and forgiveness are often closely linked in our minds.   For further research on the Greek words for repentance please see the following article: http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1989ii/Wilkin.html. Jonathan Hughes    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands In a message dated 11/17/2004 11:49:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: How do you know this woman was repentant? I've never heard that before but I have heard ppl comment on the hypocrisy of bringing her to Jesus and letting the man involved off (she didn't commit adultery by herself); also if there is so much grace and warm fuzzies going on how is it that Paul was scourged five times by the Jews while doing the Lord's ministry? Would Christ have forgiven her and sent her on her way if she was not repentant?  Laura This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. 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