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Peace to you, Judy. We have been down this road
before. I was just checking to see if you had the integrity to hold your own
feet to the fire by employing the same hermeneutical criteria toward yourself
that you do against those whose beliefs differ from your own. No surprises here,
you don't.
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:39
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are
Written in the Lambs Book of Life?
O poor poor John,
If it will make you feel better, I will go so
far as to say that there is no explicit scriptural support for the idea of
"spiritual death." This idea came to us via the wake of the
Augustine-v-Palagius controversy.
Not so Bill, the book of Genesis
was written way before the Augustine v Pelagius controversy and this is
where the idea of "spiritual death" comes from. God said "In the day
A&E ate they would SURELY die" Are you saying He lied and they
didn't die that day?
In fact I also know that Judy, if she is going
to be consistent, will have to agree with me on this one, although
on different grounds; and this because she is so insistent on pointing
out that since there is no explicit language stating that Jesus is the
"eternal Son," he therefore cannot be the eternal Son. To use her line of
argumentation (against her, in this instance:>) there cannot be any such
thing as "spiritual death" since there is no such explicit language in
Scripture.
Do you need everything spelled
out for you Bill? Just how did they die THAT DAY - Adam did not die
physically until 960yrs later?
Even though we do not all affirm your view
concerning a lack of a fallen nature, there are at least a couple of us who
will affirm the absence of a concept of "spiritual death" in the
biblical narrative.
Now, does that make you feel better?
Bill
I sure hope not because a false
peace is much worse than no peace. judyt
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:48
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names
are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?
In a message dated 1/10/2005 11:55:01 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
jt: Unscriptural John. How did he get born saved
since everyone is born into a "fallen creation" (sin) in the first Adam.
The scriptures teach that God saw us in Christ before the foundation of
the world (Eph 1:4) and everyone's name was written in the Lamb's Book
of Life at the beginning because Jesus was the lamb slain before the
foundation of the world. However, this does not negate the fall nor does
it insure salvation unless one keeps their name from being blotted
out. The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Is an eternal truth So
rather than get so tangled up with saved, not saved, saved, not saved.
Wouldn't we be wiser to learn what God call's sin and stop doing
it?
I stand alone on this
"fallen nature thing, " I know. The write -
wongers (nothing wrong with being a write winger
---------- and no, I did not misspell. A right
winger who joins a list such as this truly is, becomes a write
winger --------------- thank you very much)
start bouncing and my friends, out of respect no doubt, become
painfully silent ( know exactly what that means
!! you can't fool little old Johnny)
Oh, by
the way,
A left winger who joins a list such as this truly is
becomes a TEACHER. he ha.
But I digress.
Judy -- there is no fallen nature. God just isn't
done with us yet. Adam and his Seventh Rib are completed by the same
Christ you and I are. It has ALWAYS been that way, since
before the foundations of the world.
The soul that sinneth, it
shall die. Is an eternal truth So rather than get so tangled up with
saved, not saved, saved, not saved. Wouldn't we be wiser to learn what God
call's sin and stop doing it? Judy !!!!
The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true
statement for those who are in Christ. We will be saved
-- signed sealed and delivered per Roimans 8. Get
used to it, Judy. You ARE going to heaven.
So am I. I just hope we don't live on the same block, ya know
what I am saying ??
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