Great post, David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature
> Judy wrote: > > Why would Jesus have to come with the > > human tendency to sin? > > Because those he came to save have a tendency to sin. Jesus had to enter in > through the door of the flesh. We know how we can walk because he gave us > his perfect example. If he was some alien instead, then how he lived was > only for him and not for us. On the other hand, because I know that he was > made like me, then the life he lived is the life that I can live. He > condemned sin in the flesh for me. > > Judy wrote: > > Jesus the second Adam did not have Romans 7:17 > > type sin indwelling him either for if he had he would > > have been ineligible as a sacrifice for he would not > > have been a "spotless Lamb" > > The Rabbi's did not perform any internal inspections on the Passover lambs. > They only looked on the outside of the lamb. The term "spotless" refers to > no black hairs found on the body of a white lamb. Jesus qualified just fine > as the spotless lamb of God because he never sinned. The frailty of his > body of flesh did not disqualify him. > > Judy wrote: > > I used to believe that Romans 7 described the > > unregenerate man but have since learned that > > Paul had been born of the Spirit (or born again) > > for at least 20yrs when he wrote this. > > The use of present tense does not mean that he was describing his present > sinful life of bondage under the law. He was using a literary device known > as the historical present tense. It is a way of bringing the reader into a > vivid understanding of what is being presented. People do this often. They > might speak about their day yesterday when they went to the store by saying > in present tense, "I see this cashier and I say..." We know that Paul was > not talking about his present life in Romans 7 because he sets it all up as > being about when we were in the flesh under the law (Rom. 7:5). > > Judy wrote: > > The book of Romans is written to believers at > > Rome and Paul describes his own walk here. > > No, he describes his walk when he was in the flesh and under the law (Rom. > 7:1-13). Don't ignore the entire context of Romans, leading believers to > understand holiness that exists apart from the works of the law. > > Judy wrote: > > He worked out his own salvation with fear and > > trembling and wrote that he had NOT yet attained > > but he pressed on Phil 3:10-14. > > Rightly divide the Word, Judy. Phil. 3:10 says that he is talking about the > RESURRECTION in this passage. Paul had not yet attained to the > resurrection. Read Phil. 3:15 and you will see that Paul calls himself > perfect. In verse 12 he had said that he was not perfect. This was > concerning the resurrection. Three verses later in verse 15 he calls > himself perfect. This is in regards to his morality and walk in Christ. > > Judy wrote: > > Paul has been known to miss it. He > > called the High Priest a "whited sepulchre" > > and had to apologize for it; > > This was not a sin along the lines of Romans 7. Paul did not apologize, but > simply say that if he had known he was the high priest, he would not have > talked to him that way. In other words, the man was not acting like a high > priest and deserved what was said to him. Even the Pharisees in this > passage said that they could find no wrong in him. > > Judy wrote: > > he also got into a fritz with Barnabus over > > John Mark. > > Nothing wrong with this disagreement about whether their apostolic ministry > trip should include John Mark. The Scriptures tell us that Paul and Silas > went "being recommended by the brethren" which is suggestive that Paul was > in the right concerning this dispute. > > Judy wrote: > > For him it was a learning process > > like it is for us. > > And so it was for Jesus too... > Hebrews 5:8-9 > (8) Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he > suffered; > (9) And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto > all them that obey him; > > Judy wrote: > > However, I don't see Jesus "missing it" at all > > You are right. Jesus never sinned. > > Judy wrote: > > He took our likeness upon himself but this > > likeness involved the limitations of human > > flesh in outward form only > > The following passage sounds like more than just outward likeness: > > Hebrews 5:7 > (7) Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and > supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save > him from death, and was heard in that he feared; > > Jesus sounds quite human in this passage, don't you think? Crying. Tears. > Fear. > > When God created man in his image, was it only in outward form? If not, > then why thrust this restriction on God when he was made in man's image? > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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