BLAINE I feel a little uneasy with the thought that he got off so easily, just confessing Christ and etc. He destroyed a lot of lives, and I find it hard to believe he will be up there in heaven with a halo after all that. Hmm, as I said, I will give this some thought. I guess what I am thinking at the moment is that repentance may be more difficult and more time consuming than most traditional Christians might believe.
McConkie "What the Mormons Think of Christ" LDS Pamphlet published in 1982 by the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
"Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one's salvation. For instance, many believe or pretend to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept him as our personal Savior, we are thereby saved. They say that his blood, without any other act than mere belief, makes us clean...."
2 Parts of salvation Ressurection/eXhaltation
"Grace is simply the mercy, the love and the condescension of God has for his children, as a result of which he has ordained the plan of salvation so that they may have power to progress and become like him. . . All men are saved by grace alone without any act on their part, meaning that they are resurrected and become immortal because of the atoning sacrifice of Christ... In addition to this redemption from death, all men, by the grace of God, have the power to gain eternal life. This is called salvation by grace coupled with obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.Hence Nephi was led to write "We labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."... "
Brigham Young taught the doctrine of Blood Atonement to the Saints in Utah on September 21, 1856 Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 54: It is true that the blood of the son of God was shed for sins yet men can commit sins which it can never remit. There are sins that must be atoned for by the blood of the man
There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilled upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an offering for their sins; and the smoking incense would atone for their sins whereas, if such were not the case, they would stick to them and remain upon them in the spirit world....
REAL LOVE "All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant....
"This is loving our neighbor as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it.... if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind." (Sermon by President Brigham Young, delivered in the Mormon Tabernacle, February 8, 1857; printed in the Deseret News, February 18, 1857; also reprinted in the Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 219-220)
The firing squad was removed as a execution option for Utah in the last year. Before that LDS such as Gary Gilmore and Gary Bishop chose to Spill their own blood to atone for their sin of Murder
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Caroline wrote:
Someone asked about Jeffrey Dahmer - or at least that's who I think the poster was referring to when he said homo cannibal.
If Jeffrey Dahmer accepted Jesus and if he called upon the name of Jesus and pled the blood of Christ, God would have to love him and say to him, "welcome my son" wouldn't He? That's the rules isn't it? Who we were and what we did have no bearing on God isn't it? It's just the one criteria - did he or didn't he say the Sinner's prayer isn't it? Ditto for people who may have said it in youth camp when they were 8 and later became a Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin too, right? Do good all your life but still roast in hell if you're Buddhist. Be nasty and eat people but say the Sinner's prayer and you're in, right? Everything else is just blah, blah, blah whatever in God's ears, right? No pleading ignorance, special circumstances, victimization, abuse, insanity, boring sermons....
BTW, Jeffrey Dahmer did confess Christ and converted before he died.
Caroline
BLAINE: Hi Caroline!! This is an interesting line of thought. I am thinking about what you have written, will let you know later, maybe, what enters my brain. As for now, I am glad Jeffery D. made some sort of peace with his God, or at least He whom he was taught was God. For some reason, however, I feel a little uneasy with the thought that he got off so easily, just confessing Christ and etc. He destroyed a lot of lives, and I find it hard to believe he will be up there in heaven with a halo after all that. Hmm, as I said, I will give this some thought. I guess what I am thinking at the moment is that repentance may be more difficult and more time consuming than most traditional Christians might believe. I believe it is possible, but the human psych being what it is, self-forgiveness is important, and I feel Jeffery may have some problems in this area. I am reminded of the story of a man who killed an entire family in Viet Nam, and later went off his rocker and had to be committed to an insane asylum--one problem was t
hat he kept seeing the family he killed appear at his bedside at night, apparently wanting to know what his justification was. Since he had none, he went off the deep end. I believe it is an inherant human need to justify what one does, and if one cannot do this, he cannot obtain true forgiveness, whether accepting Jesus or no.
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