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Caroline,
You quote Emerson to evaluate Kevin? Emerson's quote:
"What you are shouts so loud in my ears, I
cannot hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson - more appropriately evaluate his own self - Poor
soul was raised in deception which apparently escalated in his own
life. He must not have believed in Adam's fall so was
unaware that the "divine soul" inspiring him was not from God. What
good are all these beautiful words? If they are not communicating God's
Truth they fall to the ground and are just
stubble?
As for Kevin - I think you mistake his zeal
for righteousness with anger... jt
From Wikipedia online:
Emerson was born in Boston, Massachusetts, to a Unitarian minister, later
to become a Unitarian minister himself. He gradually drifted
from the doctrines of his peers, then formulated and first expressed the
philosophy of Transcendentalism
in his essay Nature.
The publication of Emerson's 1836 essay Nature is usually taken to
be the watershed moment at which Transcendentalism became a
major cultural movement. Emerson wrote: "We will walk on our own feet; we will
work with our own hands; we will speak our own minds ...A
nation of men will for the first time exist, because each believes himself
inspired by the Divine
Soul which also inspires all men." Emerson
closed the essay by calling for a revolution in human consciousness to emerge
from the new idealist philosophy:
- So shall we come to look at the world with new eyes. It shall answer the
endless inquiry of the intellect, - What is truth? and of the affections,—
What is good? by yielding itself passive to the educated Will. ...
Build, therefore, your own world. As fast as you conform your
life to the pure idea in your mind, that will unfold its great proportions. A
correspondent revolution in things will attend the influx of the spirit.
Emerson was noted as being a very abstract and difficult
writer who never the less drew large crowds for his speeches. A common joke
heard from his audiences was that they had no idea what he was saying, but that
it was beautiful. He was considered one of the great orators of the time, a man
who could enrapture crowds with his own enthusiasm
If the person does not feel he is angry but
everyone else says it sure feels like it, then that person could
a) continue as he is because what other people
think does not matter or
b) change communication style to reflect whom he
really believes himself to be
"What you are shouts so loud in my ears, I cannot
hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Love,
Caroline
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:06
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What if one is actually not angry but, one is
so perceived by others?
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Sent: April 24, 2005 18:18
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[TruthTalk] Hell
James 1:19-20 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be
quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man's anger
does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:05
PM
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[TruthTalk] Hell
They that hate me without a
cause are more than the hairs of mine head
WOW there just might be some OT precedent. Or was this added
also?
Why is it that the Religious" "LOVE" crowd is always so judgemental
and have a word of knowledge at that. Since you got it from "the Spirit"
it must be right. How foolish
Amos 5:10 They hate him that rebuketh
in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh
uprightly.
I know that a modern 21st century
Christian is always positive always sweet like you. Too many sweets
cause Diabetes!
Correction is grievous unto him that
forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall
die.
I am not ANGRY just hateful and that NOT without a
cause!
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:
pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I
hate.
PS 97 Ye that love the LORD,
hate evil
I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but
I trust in the LORD.
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou
hatest all workers of iniquity.
I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and
will not sit with the wicked.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and
am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with
perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Through thy precepts I get understanding:
therefore I hate every false way.
Have I sinned in my words or just my attitude as you see
it?
Should I tone it down, be a nice modern effeminate
christian?
I guess you would have really been offended by some of
those old timers.
Even the Methodists.
Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
In high school, we were taught there is
only one answer to math equations and that there is a law of
non-contradiction. Later we learn electrons and light are both
particle and wave and that math equations can give you a range of
answers or no answer at all.
Kevin, as your sister, I feel compelled
by the Spirit to tell you that you're an angry person and you enjoy
being angry. This is dangerous. 'nuff said.
Love,
Caroline
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005
7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]
[TruthTalk] Hell
You may like Coke I may like
Pepsi
BUT
There is only ONE correct answer to
a math equation
There is only ONE correct formula in
physics
Reality is unrelenting.
What is true for you is also true
for me.
It is a good thing you sell books
not design bridges!
Engineering "mistakes" cost dearly,
so do Theological ones!
Or are things different up there in
Canuckastan?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And that, Kevin, would be your
INTERPRETATION of Scripture, would it not? Do we now have two
'infallibles' on TT? (I mean only with respect to this
issue)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: April 24, 2005
08:09
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Hey we call all be right!
Except for ONE thing that gets in the way
This is ONE understanding of the
matter, albeit and, admittedly, the most widely held
ONE.
May I take a moment to pay you a
compliment? Your demeanour has been, on the whole, most
gracious in the last while.
thanks,
Lance
----- Original Message -----
Sent: April 24, 2005
05:24
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[TruthTalk] Hell
From: "Lance Muir" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> IMPLICATIONS
IMPLICATIONS IFF He (Jesus) wasn't communicating what
YOU think He was communication then, what will you
do?
I just found Elsman's response to
BillW concerning hell written a year ago today which you may
find interesting; he makes a good argument and I like his
presentation ..... all from scripture - This is one of his
finer moments :-) So WDYT? jt
BILL,
YES, LET'S ALL HEAD FOR
THE CITY OF THE NEW JERUSALEM , ALL ON THIS FORUM.
RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE A TOUGH SCRIPTURAL CASE TO
PROVE THAT THERE IS A SECOND-CHANCE TO BE SAVED FROM
SIN:
A. AFTER WE DIE.
B. AFTER THE "DAY OF THE LORD",
IF WE ARE ALIVE AT THAT TIME.
C. CERTAINLY, AFTER THE
"NEW JERUSALEM" COMETH DOWN WITH ITS RIVER OF LIFE.
I ASK YOU TO RE-EXAMINE REV.21: 6-8, WHEREIN
THE DIE IS CAST, I.E.
THE SINNERS SHALL "...HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH
BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE SECOND
DEATH."
THUS, I DID NOT SEE THE
"LAKE OF FIRE" DEALT
WITH IN YOUR VERY CREATIVE ANALYSIS OF POETIC LICENSE, AS
SOME WOULD SAY. SURELY, THE SINNERS WON'T BE LOUNGING AROUND
OUTSIDE THE CITY WALLS OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM", SOME SEEKING
TO BE SAVED AT THE LAST SECOND BY LAPPING LIVING WATER OF
THE RIVER OF LIFE.
INDEED, IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM REV. 22:11 THAT
:
"...HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL, AND HE
WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL...."
IN OTHER
WORDS, STATUS IS SET FIRMLY, NEVER TO CHANGE WHEN WE GET
BEYOND DEATH TO JUDGMENT, AS HEBREWS REMINDS US (
"...IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, AND THENCE COMETH
THE JUDGMENT...").
ALL THOSE MORMON AND CATHOLIC PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD---AND
CEREMONIES AND MASSES AVAILETH NOT. THE DIE IS CAST AT
DEATH.
IN SHORT, IF YOU EVER SEE A SINNER THAT YOU KNEW IN THIS
LIFE , AS HE IS HEADING FOR THE LAKE OF FIRE, YOU CAN EXPECT
HIM TO BE ANGRILY CURSING GOD, NOT COVETING THE RIVER OF
LIFE WATERS----EVEN THOUGH WATER WOULD BE A BLESSING IN THAT
LAKE, WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NEVER
QUENCHED.
SINNERS ARE MORALLY INSANE IN A ROMANS 3 SENSE.
SUCH IS THE ALIENATION OF THE UNREPENTANT SINNER FROM
HOLINESS-----EVEN IF, AS IS THE CASE, THE CHRISTIAN'S
ESSENTIAL HOLINESS IS VICARIOUS, SUBSTITUTIONARY AND PROXY,
VIA THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB JESUS THAT TAKETH AWAY OUR SINS.
HALLELUJAH!!! THAT IS THE WOW, WOW, WOW!!!---THAT HE WOULD
DO THAT FOR US!!!
----ELSMAN, THE LAWYER ARGUING
HIS CASE FOR RIGHT-DIVISION OF SCRIPTURE,
FINELY-TUNED.
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