Have you ever received a vision of heaven or of hell and have you asked the Lord for it? I know someone who had a vision of heaven but I don't know any personally who had visions of hell. Lance posted something from Choo Thomas and I know a passage from Julian of Norwich where she asked the Lord to show her hell. I read parts of 1 Enoch but that is not fully accepted as inspired by the Jews.
Love,
Caroline
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Caroline wrote:They added the words "without cause" because they could not let go of their own anger and they need a punitive God.
What makes you think the words were added? The majority of texts have the phrase.
Caroline wrote:Even though people made Jesus frustrated to the point of tears, he is not punitive.
Don't you think Jesus is punitive in the following passage?
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
(6) Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to
them that trouble you;
(7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that
obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of
the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
(10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in
all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that
day.
Surely you don't think all these words were added too, do you?
Caroline wrote:He drove the money changers out of the temple and he rebuked people for not showing mercy and justice. It was not sinners that made him angry - it was lack of mercy, compassion and justice.
Excuse me, but those who lack mercy, compassion, and justice are sinners. The religious establishment, the scribes and Pharisees, which were the Barth's, Torrance's, and Wright's of Christ's day, these were indeed sinners, and they made Jesus angry. Do you see it differently?
Caroline wrote:He ate with sinners and gluttons and was incredibly gracious and merciful to them all.
Yes, he was gracious to sinners who received his rebukes and corrections,
who received his message that they needed to repent because the Kingdom of
God was at hand. Jesus gave the call to holiness, and those sinners who
smote their breasts and repented received grace, but those religiously
trained men, the educated ones in the establishment, these were the sinners
who made Christ angry and did not receive his grace and mercy.
Peace be with you. David Miller.
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