Hi Terry–
I’m glad to see that you are
open-minded and willing to let me respond to these questions. If you don’t
mind, I’d like to answer these questions one at a time.
DO LATTER-DAY SAINTS BELIEVE THAT
JESUS AND SATAN ARE OR WERE BROTHERS?
To give a proper answer, this will
take a bit of explanation. First, most non-LDS Christians believe in the
pre-mortality of Jesus. We do also. We also believe that all who live on
this earth, past and present, lived before with God in Heaven. We believe
that God is literally the Father of our spirits.
"Furthermore we have had fathers of
our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of
spirits, and live?" (Heb 12:9)
"Have we not all one
father?..." (Mal 2:10a)
"One God and Father of
all..." (Eph 4:6a)
"Then shall the dust return to the
earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
(Eccl 12:7)
Being children of God we were all
brothers and sisters. Jesus, known as Jehovah in the OT, was our Father’s
firstborn.
And again, when he bringeth in the
firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of
God worship him. (Heb 1:6)
In mortality, Jesus would be God’s
Only Begotten.
Jeremiah was informed that he lived
before he was born.
"Then the word of the LORD came
unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and
before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." (Jer
1:4-5)
Our Father presented a plan to
us.
"And the Lord God spake unto Moses,
saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man;
but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine. And as one earth shall
pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and
there is no end to my works, neither to my words. For behold,
this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and
eternal life of man." (Moses 1:38-40)
While we were in the presence of
God we walked by sight; now, our memories are taken away and we walk by
faith.
"There is no
remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any
remembrance of things that are to come with those that
shall come after." (Eccl 1:11)
"And there stood one among them
that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will
go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials,
and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; and we will prove
them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their
God shall command them; and they who keep their first estate shall be
added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory
in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who
keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever
and ever." (Abr 4:24-26)
Lucifer seeks power.
"For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne about the stars of
God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides
of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be
like the most high." (Isa 14:13-14)
A Savior is Chosen.
"And I, the Lord God, sake unto
Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name on mine
Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came
before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I
will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I
will do it; wherefore give me thine honor. But, behold, my Beloved Son,
which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father,
thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever. Wherefore, because that
Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which
I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine
own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be
cast down;..." (Moses 4:1-3)
"And the Lord said: Whom shall I
send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And
another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I
will send the first. And the second was angry, and kept not his first
estate; and at that day, many followed after him." (Abr
4:27-28)
War in Heaven.
"And there was a war in
heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their pace
found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old
serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he
was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Rev
12:7-9)
Lucifer is cast out.
"And I, Lehi, according to the
things which I have read, must needs suppose that an angel of God,
according to that which is written, had fallen from heaven;
wherefore, he became a devil, having sought that which was evil
before God. And because he had fallen from heaven, and had become
miserable forever, he sought also the misery of all mankind." (2Ne
2:17-18a)
"... for he rebelled against
me, saying, Give me thine honor, which is my power; and also a third
part of the hosts of heaven turned he away from me because of their
agency; and they were thrust down, and thus came the devil and his
angels;..." (D&C 29:36b-37)
"And this we saw also, and bear
record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God,
who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and
who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of
God and the Son, and was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over
him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning. And we beheld, and lo, he is
fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!" (D&C
76:25-27)
"And the angels which kept not
their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in
everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
(Jude 1:6)
Lucifer rebelled and was cast
out! He has lost his inheritance! He was once a son of God and our
brother, but that was before. There is no longer any relationship!
He has become Satan. He is an enemy to us and to
God!!
Jesus during His mortal ministry
recalled the event.
"And he [Jesus] said unto them, I
beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke
10:18)
–Raymond
Terry Clifton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bothoms
wrote:
Terry--
When it comes to the beliefs of my Church (what you call
Mormonism), what is your biggest grievence? and why?
--Raymond
Several things really. I
guess the most troublesome is that you believe that Jesus and Satan are
or were brothers. I do not understand why you need masonic symbols
or a temple. I do not understand why you baptize for the
dead. I do not understand why you think that you can work your way
up to being a god. All of this smacks of twisted scripture and
false teaching.
If you want to try to explain why you believe these
things or if I have misunderstood and you do not believe these things, I
am willing, even eager to listen.
Terry