RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

Tue, 17 May 2005 07:13:07 -0700

CW has not told me how Jesus communicated with the large crowds without lifting his voice.
Seems she wants to frame it as SCREAMINNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

“Thou shalt not shout.”  (Which commandment is that?) Izzy

 

Prov 1:20 “Wisdom shouts in the street,She lifts her voice in the square;”

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:47 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

 

My dear Kevin, I'm sorry if I had accused you of shouting and you weren't. Perhaps you never raised your voice but went around as quiet as a church mouse and those horrid sinners, perverts, fornicators jumped all over you for no reason at all. Perhaps your voice is never heard more than 25 ft away and every man seeking eternal life must come close to you to hear words of truth.

 

If that is so, then I do owe you an apology. I was never an eye witness to your preaching and only know you by what you post here and by what I read of other people's accounts. Would Reuben or David or anyone else at the LDS convention like to testify as to whether shouting took place? Is shouting the norm for Street Preachers or do they just quietly hand out tracts and await an invitation to engage in conversation? If one met up with 10 SPs, how many are shouters and how many are not?

 

Oh wait, those are dumb questions. I just remembered reading that Street Preachers carry bullhorns. So you weren't shouting after all. And I do apologize for accusing you of shouting. In the future, I should just say "saying things that your listeners perceived as mean, belittling, insulting and enraging in a mechanically amplified voice in a public arena." which I'll shorten to "street preaching" for future reference. But you weren't shouting.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Deegan

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:16 AM

Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

 

Right and of course it is not possible that we are not shouting (you False witness) and that the sinners are angry because they are not ready to hear God's word but came to an event to sin with both hands earnestly?

Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Paul ran into trouble for the same reason JD did. He was saying something the people weren't prepared to hear. When you do that, you don't have to shout to get people angry. Paul told the Jews that there is a new covenant, and a new way to salvation which included the Gentiles. JD merely believes God is love and that He loves sinners while you believe He is angry with sinners 24/7

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Deegan

Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

 

Does the Book of Acts have an ending or should that style of preaching
continue today?

 

If we are to preach the NT "love gospel" why did paul run into so much trouble?

 

Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
13:50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.

(LDS emulate Jews)

14:5 And when there was an assault made both of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them,

14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

16:23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely

18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed

19:23 And the same time there arose no small stir about that way.

19;32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused

20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.

22:22-24 And they gave him audience unto this word, and then lifted up their voices, and said, Away with such a fellow from the earth: for it is not fit that he should live. And as they cried out, and cast off their clothes, and threw dust into the air The chief captain commanded him to be brought into the castle, and bade that he should be examined by scourging

23:2 And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth.

23:10 And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take him by force from among them, and to bring him into the castle.

23:12 And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

24:5-6 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.

 

Ruben Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

To those that wish to comment on "street preaching," take note:

Noah was called a "preacher of righteousness" during his time slot he
preached righteousness to a perverted people and did anyone get saved?
Would it have been more prudent for him to use his three sons and maybe
start a band, singing to sinners in that wicked generation and using this
friendship evangelism rather than preaching?

Isaiah was told to "Lift aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet,
and shew my people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins"
(Is.58:1). Do we find Isaiah preaching a message of God wants you just the
way you are? Find out how many messages he preached using the word "Woe"
vs. "God loves you".

Jeremiah was told to go and cry out against cities, people, individuals and
a temple, his message was about as in your face as one can get. Should he
have possibly just tried to get to know everyone, maybe coffee and pie,
perhaps this result would have been fruitful and the message would have been
accepted? In retrospect was it all Jeremiah's fault?

Ezekiel, now here is someone I enjoy reading, this man uses more visual aids
with his preaching (see Ezekiel for details) and again where do we find this
message of God loves you even once in forty eight chapters? He was the
watchman warning sinners of their sin. Ringing the bell, sounding the
alarm, echoing caution, pointing out the sin trying to get into the camp
(Ezk. 3 & 33).

These are just a few men that preached in public a message in an ear that no
one wanted to hear and that is why these men were persecuted, jailed and
killed for it. When God sent someone like these individuals out of the bull
pen you best take heed and understand that this is your wake up call. Is
that only Old Testament?

Well let's see, enter John the Baptist and his message was not "I love you
and so does God." He name called, preached a hard message to the religious,
warned about God's wrath with fire, and demanded fruit meet for repentance
(Mt.3:5-12). And must I note that he was a voice "crying in the wilderness"
which is not weeping or lamenting but crying out loud. Understand that one
must do it the way God wants it done. Noah did not just build a boat, nor
were four walls lifted and called a temple. But these were done the way God
specifically wanted it done, we have consistency in both Old and New
Testaments.

Did Jesus ever preach God loves you just the way you are to anyone? That is
common today, was it with Jesus? His message was repent (Mt.417) and our
Lord did raise His voice (see John 7:28, 37) also read feeding the thousands
and teaching them. Without raising the voice? Jesus preached more on hell
fire than the love of God, and talk about name calling read Matthew 23, or
he condemned whole generations for being faithless and adulterous. He "Woe'ed"
three cities that now no longer exist, He upbraided those cities that did
not repent (that is the strongest form of rebuke) and if His whole life was
preaching love and forgiveness why would they kill Him? Did he not tell
the disciples "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I
testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." This is the reason they
hated and killed our Lord. He testified that the world was evil which our
job is as public preachers, not to gain favor with people. We expose sin in
the public place where it parades and offer the remedy to the problem. Who
cares if I offend the whole world, my hope is not to offend God.

Acts chapter two we find Peter on the day of Pentecost lifting up his voice
as he preached (Acts 2:14) and no where do we God loves you preached once
but many verses on judgment. Why is it so common today? What the common
message has always been is "Repent" which means a change of mind, heart or
lifestyle...so much for God wants you just the way you are. Let us look at
Stephen's public sermon to find God and Jesus loves you. Acts chapter seven
we read that Stephen gave a history lesion and ended saying "Ye stiffnecked
and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as
your fathers did, so do ye." Of course they attacked him and killed him.
Maybe if Stephen proclaimed more on Gods love he could have ministered
longer, maybe all the apostles should have done this so they would not have
been persecuted, beaten, jailed and killed for their faith. SIDE BAR: (even
the book of Mormon has a picture of a man preaching or yelling to people
below shooting arrows at him) SIDE BAR OVER.

Does the Book of Acts have an ending or should that style of preaching
continue today? ....Selah....

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